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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:37:28 -0400
From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <>
To: David Leon Gil <>,
 "" <>,
 Werner Koch <>,
Subject: Re: Re: 0xdeadbeef comes of age: making
 keysteak with GnuPG

On 10/10/2014 12:23 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On 10/10/2014 12:01 PM, David Leon Gil wrote:
>> > (While I know that if a root CA were caught intentionally issuing an
>> > MitM cert for or would face likely
>> > delisting/bankruptcy.)
> I'd like to believe that also, but i think that some of the members of
> the CA cartel might be "too big to fail" in the current infrastructure.
>  There's no chance that the CA will go bankrupt if they aren't delisted
> (since the CA market is a lemon market), and every web site certified by
> the bigger CAs has an incentive to argue against that CAs' delisting
> (because it will break their web site).

And, even when we can burn a small CA, the larger organization often
carries on unharmed:


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