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Message-ID: <20090827082729.GB4385@redhat.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:27:29 +0100
From: Joe Orton <jorton@...hat.com>
To: "Steven M. Christey" <coley@...us.mitre.org>
Cc: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com, Robert Buchholz <rbu@...too.org>
Subject: Re: Re: expat bug 1990430
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:38:26PM -0400, Steven M. Christey wrote:
> 1) neon "when expat is used" was subject to the billion laughs attack
> (recursion during entity expansion). This was assigned CVE-2009-2473.
> The description for CVE-2009-2473 focuses on neon, and I haven't seen
> it used for other products. Was this really a problem in expat? Then
> we may have a dupe.
I can't find the reference now, but, the expat maintainers said
something like this:
a) it's broadly expected behaviour that certain well-formed XML
documents can cause consumption of CPU/memory in the XML parser which is
disproportionate to the size of the input document.
b) this is a deliberate design decision for expat; it is not possible to
mitigate CPU/memory consumption attacks *by default* in the XML parser
without having expat reject some well-formed XML documents.
I don't think that is an unreasonable position, especially if you
consider that an XML parser exists primarily for document processing,
rather than for decoding a network protocol.
Any code using expat which parses XML documents from an untrusted source
will therefore be vulnerable to CPU/memory consumption attacks, unless
that code takes specific steps to mitigate those attacks. The only
attack I'm aware of is the "billion laughs" attack, which can be
mitigated using a couple of expat API calls to disable entity expansion.
[1]
So, on this basis we've treated "use of expat API to parse XML from
untrusted sources without taking steps to mitigate billion laughs
attack" as a vulnerability in the code *using* the expat API; rather
than in expat itself. For apr-util this vulnerability was
CVE-2009-1955, for neon, it was CVE-2009-2473.
Hope this makes sense.
Regards, Joe
[1] It is perhaps worth noting that the WebDAV RFC in fact highlights
the need for implementors to configure XML parsers such as to avoid
attacks, and indeed this specific attack:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4918#section-20.6
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