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Message-ID: <20170213084115.GA16815@srcf.ucam.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 08:41:15 +0000
From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>, Matthew Giassa <matthew@...ssa.net>,
"kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com" <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>,
KVM <kvm@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Introduction + new project: "rootkit
detection using virtualization".
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 08:37:01PM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> One of the things that Matthew can do is build on
> the read-only memory protections in the kernel, and
> have the hypervisor enforce that the memory the kernel
> marks as read-only is never written from inside the
> virtual machine, until the next reboot.
>
> That seems like it might be a useful place to start,
> since it would immediately make the other read-only
> protections that people are working on much harder to
> get around, at least inside virtual machines.
I agree that this is valuable, but it feels like doing so probably
involves designing a consistent mechanism for lightweight
kernel→hypervisor calls - the existing vfio framework seems heavier than
necessary for this kind of thing. Going further probably involves having
a good way for syscalls to call into the hypervisor, but again finding a
generic solution that doesn't add too much overhead seems like a good
plan. My implementation of this was very special cased and didn't
attempt to do anything in a generic way, so I'm definitely not a good
model!
--
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@...f.ucam.org
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