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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 10:06:04 -0800
From: Matthew Giassa <matthew@...ssa.net>
To: Jidong Xiao <jidong.xiao@...il.com>
Cc: kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com, KVM <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction + new project: "rootkit detection using virtualization".
Hi Jidong,
You are correct on all the points noted above:My goal is to develop a
production-ready, non-academic implementation of such a tool. I'm in
it for the long haul.
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Jidong Xiao <jidong.xiao@...il.com> wrote:
> Thanks Matthew. So if I understand correctly, even though many people have
> proposed similar solutions, none of them have actually contributed their
> code (of their solution) into Qemu/KVM. To make it "real" (i.e., as a part
> of Qemu/KVM code) is your goal, right? That sounds interesting!
>
> -Jidong
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Matthew Giassa <matthew@...ssa.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-02-10 03:18 PM, Jidong Xiao wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, I have to resend this again, as the original two emails were
>>> blocked because of the url.
>>>
>>> "Rootkit detection using virtualization" has been widely studied for a
>>> decade. Is the approach you are going to use different from all of these
>>> existing ones:
>>>
>>> "Survey: Virtual Machine Introspection Based System Monitoring and
>>> Malware Detection Techniques" - by Haofu Liao at University of Rochester.
>>>
>>> -Jidong
>>
>>
>> On 2017-02-10 05:37 PM, Rik van Riel wrote:
>> >
>> > One of the things that Matthew can do is build on
>> > the read-only memory protections in the kernel, and
>> > have the hypervisor enforce that the memory the kernel
>> > marks as read-only is never written from inside the
>> > virtual machine, until the next reboot.
>> >
>> > That seems like it might be a useful place to start,
>> > since it would immediately make the other read-only
>> > protections that people are working on much harder to
>> > get around, at least inside virtual machines.
>> >
>>
>>
>> My initial plan was to start with what Rik proposed, and focus on
>> additional memory protections. With respect to long-term plans, a lot of my
>> work/research so far has been focused on implementing a system similar to
>> that presented by Payne et al (ie: Lares).
>>
>> -Matthew Giassa
>
>
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Matthew Giassa, MASc, BASc, EIT
Principal Developer; Security and Embedded Systems Specialist
linkedin: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/giassa
e-mail: matthew@...ssa.net
website: www.giassa.net
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