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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 13:25:21 -0500
From: Grant Taylor <gtaylor@...tconsulting.net>
To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: with firefox on X11, any page can pastejack you
anytime
I have some misgivings about this.
On 10/16/23 7:17 PM, turistu wrote:
> In firefox running on X11, any script from any page can freely write
> to the primary selection,
I'm largely inclined to say "so what is the problem here?" but I'm
trying to keep an open mind and understand ~> maybe learn something.
The *primary* /selection/ /buffer/ is updated by simply selecting text
on the screen.
About the only thing that I can see being a problem is if something
updates the chosen selection buffer without my knowledge while I'm in
the middle of doing something using the selection buffer.
*Selection* /buffer/ being a buffer referencing something that is selected.
Remember, the selection buffers; primary and / or secondary, are
completely independent of the clipboard.
> and that can be easily exploited to run arbitrary code on the user's
> machine.
I'm not convinced of that.
1st, simply updating the selection buffer doesn't mean that what's in it
will be used for anything,
2nd, the updated selection buffer must be used in a way that tries to
execute a command or maliciously alters contents, e.g. swapping
something of value for something else malicious, say an address to send
something.
> No user interaction is necessary -- any page able to run javascript
> can do it ....
The ability to update the selection buffer doesn't extend into the
ability to cause what's in the selection buffer to be executed.
> This applies to all the versions of mozilla/firefox and their
> derivatives (seamonkey, etc) ....
It probably applies to a lot more than that. I suspect that anything
that can run 3rd party code can do the same thing.
> Sooner or later, when trying to paste something in the terminal with
> shift-Insert or middle click, you will end up running the command
> `writeXPrimary()` has injected just between your copy and paste.
I can do the same thing with most shells that you're claiming is a
Mozilla / Firefox bug:
while sleep 1; do echo "yes LOL" | xsel -ip; done
Change your sleep duration, what goes into the primary selection buffer,
tool used to modify the selection buffer, which selection buffer /
clipboard you monkey with, etc.
I think that this is more a problem with X11 security than it is a
problem specific to Mozilla / Firefox.
This X11 security issue is well known and has been well known for
decades. Anybody / anything that can read / write to your DISPLAY can
do this.
Maybe the fact that malicious JavaScript can do this is a surprise. But
I don't see this as a new issue.
As I said earlier, I'm unconvinced that this is a Mozilla / Firefox
specific bug, but I'm trying to keep an open mind and understand ~>
maybe learn something.
As for patching Firefox, that's sort of like closing one vector out of
the undetermined / infinite number that exist on the system.
Yes, what you're talking about is a problem. It's also a known problem.
What's more is I believe the root of the problem is outside of where
you have targeted your scrutiny.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
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