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Message-Id: <02CDFB7D-3E27-4C74-A7FA-11FE08043AC2@dwheeler.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 10:05:52 -0700 From: "David A. Wheeler" <dwheeler@...eeler.com> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Trojan Source Attacks > On Nov 2, 2021, at 9:23 AM, Josh Bressers <josh@...ss.net> wrote: > You could argue the obfuscated C contest is related, that goes back to 1984. > https://www.ioccc.org/years.html#1984 You could certainly make that argument :-). At the least, I think the obfuscated V contest was heavily inspired by the obfuscated C contest. After all, just look at the similarities of the name! I didn’t make that argument. The obfuscated C contest doesn’t bill itself as trying to fool anything as thinking some code did something *different*. Most entries are so bizarre that you have to deeply analyze it to figure out what it does at all. It’s usually painfully obvious that obfuscated C entries are hard to read. Underhanded code is, I think, significantly different. Instead of being clearly hard to understand, It’s designed to be (1) easy to understand WRONGLY, (2) look innocent, and (3) do something malevolent. --- David A. Wheeler
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