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Message-ID: <20191105184228.GA27029@openwall.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:42:28 +0100 From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com Cc: Joe McManus <joe.mcmanus@...onical.com>, Anthony Liguori <aliguori@...zon.com> Subject: Re: Contributing Back Hi Joe, hi Anthony - I'll over-quote a bit since it's an old thread: On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 09:28:01PM +0200, Solar Designer wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:54:23AM -0700, Anthony Liguori wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:47 AM Joe McManus <joe.mcmanus@...onical.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:00:36PM -0600, Joe McManus wrote: > > > > > Hey All - The Ubuntu Security Team would like to sign up for items 3,4 > > > > > & 5 from the technical list < > > > > > https://oss-security.openwall.org/wiki/mailing-lists/distros#contributing-back > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > 3 - Review and/or test the proposed patches and point out potential issues > > > > > with them [...] > > > > > 4 - Check if related issues exist in the same piece of software [...] > > > > > 5 - Check if related issues exist in implementations of similar > > > > > functionality in other software [...] > [...] > > > Yes, this will be taken care of by Ubuntu Security Team members who > > > are already on the list, however if after some time we need to cycle > > > someone in or out I might come asking. I know you don't want to add > > > anyone so we will do our best to prevent this from happening. > > > > > > For 3 we can be either primary or backup, just let me know your > > > preference and we'll do the work. > > > > I would be happy for y'all to be primary. We don't ship as many > > packages as Ubuntu does so there will be more things that you are > > likely to test compared to what we do. > > OK, I've just listed Ubuntu as primary for 3, 4, 5. Amazon is now > backup for 3. > > Please note that these items include "and inform the list of the work > done even if no issues were encountered" (item 3), "and inform the list > either way" (items 4, 5), so we'll expect replies to the list as per > these items for each and every issue reported to there. I am not seeing this "inform the list either way" stuff actually happening. Without it, no other distro has a way to know the work is actually being done. Once I had pointed this need out a while before, Amazon briefly started making those mandatory postings for task 3, until they were replaced by Ubuntu as primary. In fact, given the lack of such postings by Ubuntu, I would still expect Amazon to take over for task 3, which they're the backup for, and it looks like they did that exactly once: As far as I can see, the last time Amazon handled task 3 was on July 25, which is 10 days after Ubuntu became primary for that task. This was much appreciated. Unfortunately, as far as I can see, neither distro (visibly) handled these tasks ever since, with one exception: Ubuntu did point out that a patch didn't have a corresponding testsuite change, and thus tests failed, in a posting on October 10. So hopefully they were doing the work, except for the "inform the list either way" part - but that's an important part! It is possible that I missed or don't recall some other occasions, but I think I got the overall picture right. Joe, Anthony - can you please have your distros start handling these tasks fully, as described? Thanks in advance, Alexander
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