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Message-ID: <CAKws9z0RM_1BVD1PZoaax0jGi74_nx119-9RzQagjhMqOJYxXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:38:17 -0500
From: Scott Arciszewski <scott@...agonie.com>
To: Bart van Tuil <bvantuil@...argroup.nl>, fulldisclosure@...lists.org,
oss-security@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [FD] It essentially wins crypto vulnerability bingo! gilfether/phpcrypt
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:17 AM, Bart van Tuil <bvantuil@...argroup.nl> wrote:
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> I don't get something:
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> > 4. https://github.com/paragonie/EasyRSA (reluctantly included for
> > people that really believe they need RSA)
>
> ...What's, in your opinion ofcourse, t
> he wrong thing about
> implementing RSA in a decent web application? PHP is used for much,
> much more than building simple frontpages without a backend (where
> this might be a senseless complication). RSA is still the way to go
> about implementing accessible asymmetrical crypography...
>
> I do agree, wholeheartedly, that building your own cryptographic
> primitives is just an expensive way of ultimately fooling yourself.
>
> Just wondering...
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
> Bart
>
>
> <rant>
> PS:
> All this bashing on PHP really tires me - it's getting old and
> redundant. And no - im not a PHP developer.
> </rant>
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> What's, in your opinion ofcourse, the wrong thing about implementing RSA in a decent web application?
> ...
> RSA is still the way to go about implementing accessible asymmetrical crypography...
No it's not. You should, in order of best to worst, choose:
1. ECDH/EdDSA over Curve25519 or Curve448. Use ECDH for determining a
shared secret key for symmetric key cryptography (i.e. ChaCha20 +
Poly1305), use EdDSA for deterministic signatures. This is what
libsodium's crypto_box() and crypto_sign() do.
2. ECDH/ECDSA over NIST P-256, if you really have to implement support for them.
3. 2048-bit e=65537 RSA, using OAEP for encryption and PSS for
signatures, with MGF1+SHA256. You should also hire an expert to review
your implementation and parameter choices.
Most people who implement RSA implement PKCS1v1.5 padding, which has
been publicly known to be vulnerable to a chosen-ciphertext + padding
oracle attack. SINCE 1998. Also, e = 3 RSA signature with PKCS1v1.5
padding is what broke Firefox's certificate validation a few years
back.
That's a lot of land mines to overcome, and do you really expect a
line-of-business web developer to dodge them all? Even if they
succeed, the security of RSA hinges on the difficulty of prime
factorization; something that improvements in index calculus attacks
are weakening every year. It's a sinking ship.
Contrast with libsodium. All you need is crypto_sign() and
crypto_sign_open(). Or crypto_box() and crypto_box_open(). All of
which uses modern, side-channel-resistant elliptic curve cryptography.
It couldn't be much simpler while also being conservatively secure.
Stop implementing RSA. You're setting yourself up for failure.
> PHP is used for much, much more than building simple frontpages without a backend (where this might be a senseless complication).
Of course.
Scott Arciszewski
Chief Development Officer
Paragon Initiative Enterprises
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