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Message-ID: <20141207194236.GA27260@kroah.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 11:42:36 -0800
From: Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>
To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: How GNU/Linux distros deal with offset2lib attack?
On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 01:08:00PM +0100, Lionel Debroux wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 03:22:58PM +0800, Shawn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 2, ASLRv3? Hector Marco( the dude who disclosured offset2lib
> > > > attack) sent a patch to the upstream:
> > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/4/839
> > > >
> > > > Even the upstream don't accept the patch, is this possible to
> > > > backport it & maintain it for distro community?
> > >
> > > Upstream asked for some basic fixes to the patch (i.e. it wasn't
> > > submitted in the needed format) before it could accept it, so I
> > > doubt it's rejected yet.
> > >
> > > And of course a distro could backport and maintain it, it's a very
> > > tiny patch, much smaller than what they normall backport. Take it
> > > up with the distros if you want this.
> Tiny indeed. I'm surprised how few hunks it contains, given that
> PAX_ASLR involves
> $ grep CONFIG_PAX_ASLR pax-linux-3.17.4-test7.patch | wc -l
> 25
> hunks.
That's not a good comparison, as who knows what those config options do.
And a "well written" option will never have a CONFIG_* option within the
.c files, as that's not the normal way to implement features in the
Linux kernel.
> Is Hector Marco's ASLRv3 submission a much simpler reinvention of PaX's
> ASLR wheel, or is it rather a smaller wheel which does less than PaX's
> improved, field-tested ASLR does ?
I don't know, never looked at the PaX code, sorry. Why not look at it
yourself and compare it?
> If the latter, I think it wouldn't be good to see another half-measure
> integrated to mainline, until the next mainline ASLR defeat against
> which PaX has protected for over a decade. Just my 2 cents.
The reason PaX isn't in the main kernel tree is that no one has spent
the time and effort to actually submit it in a mergable form. So
please, do so if you think this is something that is needed.
thanks,
greg k-h
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