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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:25:06 +0000
From: mancha <>
Cc: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <>,
Subject: Re: Re: neuter the poodle

On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 09:01:55AM +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote:
> Hi, The attack that you describe below is not an attack on tls
> negotiation. If you would be using the gnutls api as documented it
> wouldn't work. It is an attack on the insecure negotiation used by
> firefox, which as it seems it shares code with thunderbird. The text
> in my description is accurate, the attack affects mostly browsers, and
> if you are using the tls protocol negotiation you are safe.


I don't think DKG was suggesting the GnuTLS API is vulnerable to
protocol downgrade attacks if used according to guidelines (I know I

His question relates to your "only browsers" comment, which as my attack
against Thunderbird+IMAPS shows, is inaccurate. My second link contains
a similar mistake by Red Hat.  


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