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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 00:04:35 +0400
Subject: Re: Healing the bash fork

On 30-Sep-2014 11:30:52 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:

 >>>> What is the motivation to not store executable code (functions)
 >>>> differently from standard variables?

 >>> What would you use for such a store, considering the environment
 >>> is the only portable way to pass this information from one
 >>> process to another in the general case, and support the current
 >>> set of use cases?

 >> C.O. to the rescue: temporary file.

 > You cannot use a named temporary file because the creator does
 > not know its required lifetime. That's a challenge all solutions
 > not based on the process environment will face.

Creator doesn't, but (grand)*child does: open it, unlink it, read it,
close it. Once the shell needs to run something, it can create a new
file with exported stuff. Garbage collection should be thought of,
but it's out-of-scope for this discussion.

 > Theoretically, you could pass an unnamed temporary file via a file
 > descriptor, and communicate the descriptor number in some safe way
 > (but what's that, if you don't trust the environment?).

Generally, the environment is unsafe because it may be filled by any
(grand)*parent process.

 > But that's going to be far less interoperable than what we currently
 > have, and barely more secure.

If the attacker needs to create the file AND to fill the environment
variable to succeed, that more likely is more secure. Or am I missing

 >> If one shell instance needs to pass some functions to another,
 >> it could dump those functions to a temporary file and pass the
 >> --load (or, better, --load-functions) options with a filename
 >> parameter.
 > We need to keep support exporting functions to grandchildren
 > through non-bash processes (that is, bash - some-other-program
 > - bash).

Hmmm... Well, requiring both a file and an environment variable may
be a good solution. Or not.

Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin <gremlin ПРИ gremlin ТЧК ru>
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