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Message-ID: <F2E65F92-32B5-484C-8455-702FE3452901@redhat.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:35:33 -0600
From: "Vincent Danen" <vdanen@...hat.com>
To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com
Cc: cve-assign@...re.org
Subject: Re: Question regarding CVE applicability of missing
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On 06/26/2014, at 10:00 AM, Kurt Seifried wrote:
> On 26/06/14 05:45 AM, Jamie Strandboge wrote:
>> Based on this email and the one this is in response to, I find this
>> comment unclear. Is MITRE saying that:
>>
>> a) lack of implementing SELinux, AppArmor, virus scanner, firewall,
>> <insert hardening software here> does not justify a CVE because of
>> the complexity? b) lack of implementing SELinux, AppArmor, virus
>> scanner, firewall, <insert hardening software here> does not
>> justify a CVE and also cannot be considered an implementation error
>> because of the complexity? c) implementing SELinux, AppArmor, virus
>> scanner, firewall, and/or <insert hardening software here> is not
>> worth it because the added complexity intrinsically makes the
>> system less secure? d) something else?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> So one comment on this, replace the above with "DAC"
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discretionary_access_control) and I bet
> we'd hand it a CVE =).
>
> Security lines move, I would expect most modern system of any type
> (Windows, Linux, router, maybe not my bathroom scale that talks
> wifi... yet) to have some sort of firewall enabled by default and not
> simply leave everything exposed to the world. So in that case not
> having a fire enabled by default would definitely violate the
> principle of least surprise and maybe even qualify for a CVE.
Wait. You're saying that not having a firewall enabled by default qualifies for a CVE? I mean, firewalls are pretty common sense and should definitely be used/available/whatever but to say that an operating system or device doesn't have a firewall enabled by default should have a CVE assigned seems... excessive, doesn't it?
How is not having a firewall enabled by default a _vulnerability_? If we look at it this way, it's a good thing CVEs go past 9999 per year because we need to change everything we used to call "hardening" to be a vulnerability, do we not?
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Vincent Danen / Red Hat Product Security
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