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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:39:59 -0800
From: Greg KH <>
Subject: Re: Plug-and-wipe and Secure Boot semantics

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 03:52:50PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 12/18/2012 03:41 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> >On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 01:46:47PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >>Some UEFI machines seem to boot from USB by default, without any
> >>prompting, probably assuming that a signed boot loader cannot cause
> >>any damage.
> >
> >Specific model name(s) please?
> Lenovo M72e 0896A9G

Thanks for that, I'll try to track one down, that's a very odd behavior,
but, in reading the spec, I can't see how it violates it at all.

> This is a business-class Windows 8 machine which comes with a
> Windows 8 logo sticker, so Secure Boot was enabled in the factory
> (and my testing reflected that).  I'm not sure if the type number
> encodes that—Lenovo surely offers essentially the same hardware with
> Secure Boot disabled by default, so that customers can install
> Windows 7 more easily.
> >>Most signed Linux boot loaders only verify the kernel (and,
> >>indirectly, code that's loaded into the kernel), but not the
> >>initrd contents.
> >
> >Given that there is only one public signed Linux boot loader, saying
> >"most" is a bit odd here :)
> Uhm, aren't there a couple of them in circulation?

Not that I know of, all of the "public" ones are based on Matthew
Gerritt's code, do you know of another one that has made it through the
Microsoft signing process?

> The Fedora 18 TC3 installer boots on the machine mentioned above, in
> the factory default configuration.  Previous installer versions
> showed a Secure Boot error message.  I've run into an installer bug,
> though:
> <>

Previous versions of Fedora 18 betas didn't have a valid signed
bootloader to allow anything to be installed, are you sure it's all
properly built now?

Also, there is a bug in Matthew's signed shim code that fails on some
machines (like the one I have), so you might want to work on getting the
bugfix into your build/sign/distro creation process.

But, more on-topic, how does UEFI secure boot have anything to do with
this mailing list?


greg k-h

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