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Message-ID: <20111228084433.GA16259@suse.de>
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:44:33 +0100
From: Sebastian Krahmer <krahmer@...e.de>
To: oss-security@...ts.openwall.com
Cc: Jeff Mitchell <mitchell@....org>, ossi@....org
Subject: Re: Disputing CVE-2011-4122
FWIW, one could have also used the pam helper from squid or squid3
which calls pam_start() in the same way.
It is wrong from OpenPAM to blindly trust the service parameter
and append it to /etc/pam.d. In particular since PAM's primary reason
is to bring security, so it should be security-aware.
But its also wrong from applications to pass everything they get
from *users* to pam_start() w/o filtering. That likely hurts the system
policy _at least_. Defensive programming, anyone? :)
regards,
Sebastian
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 03:25:09AM +0400, Solar Designer wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 11:39:55PM -0500, Jeff Mitchell wrote:
> > So kcheckpass, at least for the moment, punts all of this down to
> > OpenPAM. Is it *nice*? No. Is it *valid*? Yes, unless OpenPAM changes
> > its programming guide to require sanity checking of inputs at a higher
> > level (and then it should still do its own checking anyways).
>
> Sure, but is it valid and not a vulnerability when installing a package
> (containing kcheckpass) unexpectedly (for a sysadmin) lets any user on
> the system invoke any of the configured PAM stacks, some of which may
> have side-effects?
>
> I think it is not valid, and I think it is a vulnerability on its own,
> albeit a relatively minor one, regardless of PAM's pam_start() service
> name directory traversal possibility or lack thereof.
>
> In other words, I say that kcheckpass is vulnerable (in this different
> way) even on systems that don't use OpenPAM (or that use fixed OpenPAM).
>
> > That's the basis for the maintainer wanting to challenge this CVE. Even
> > if everyone agrees that kcheckpass should do some kind of filtering of
> > service names, the fact remains that OpenPAM should have been doing its
> > own sanity checking anyways (since it should never simply trust user
> > input), and OpenPAM wasn't. If it wasn't kcheckpass that exposed this
> > problem, it would eventually have been something else.
>
> Like I said before, this definitely makes some sense to me. The service
> name was not supposed to be user input, though. Normally, the same
> application provides the service name and cares about the authentication
> result, so it would not reasonably let the user choose the service name
> arbitrarily (as that would also let the user affect the authentication
> result in possibly unintended ways). We have a rare exception here,
> where the authentication result actually does not matter to kcheckpass
> itself, but matters to another application - one in control of the
> supplied service name. OK, that's a peculiar exception and a somewhat
> valid use case, and I fully support the OpenPAM hardening change that
> this prompted.
>
> > I'll happily pass your comments along to the kcheckpass maintainer, and
> > he indicated to me during our discussions that some level of filtering
> > would probably be appropriate, but this CVE is due to OpenPAM's lack of
> > sanity checking and blaming the program that exposes it via valid (if
> > ugly) usage scenarios is misguided.
>
> We need two CVE ids then - one for OpenPAM, the other for the kcheckpass
> issue (namely, letting a user run arbitrary PAM stacks, including those
> that a sysadmin may never have intended for the user to be able to run).
>
> Makes sense?
>
> Alexander
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