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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:43:57 +0900 (JST)
From: KOSAKI Motohiro <>
To: Roland McGrath <>
Cc:, Brad Spengler <>,
        Linus Torvalds <>,
        Andrew Morton <>,,,
        Solar Designer <>,
        Kees Cook <>, Al Viro <>,
        Oleg Nesterov <>, Neil Horman <>,,,
        Eugene Teo <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] setup_arg_pages: diagnose excessive argument size

> > Brad, sorry, I have bad news. glibc sysconf(_SC_ARG_MAX) is implemented
> > by hard coded RLIMIT_STACK/4 heuristics. That said, at least _now_, we
> > can't change this even though you disliked. That said, we can't break
> > userland even though userland library is very crazy.
> I'm sorry you think it's "very crazy" to implement the required
> functionality in the only way available.  POSIX requires that execve
> fail with E2BIG when the ARG_MAX limit is exceeded.  sysconf has to
> return the correct actual limit that execve will enforce so that a
> conforming application knows how much it can safely attempt to use.
> Since the kernel uses the hard-coded RLIMIT_STACK/4 heuristic and does
> not expose the true manifest limit any other way, sysconf has to
> parallel the kernel's calculation.

Probably my poor english leaded to misunderstood. I didn't intent glibc
is very crazy. I only intended to "even if userland is crazy, I disagree
to break userland".

And yes, we obviously need to expose ARG_MAX limit to libc. a duplicated
heuristic code easily makes confusion and mistake. nobody want such 
fragile state. however, it's a bit offtopic. anyway.


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