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Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 01:11:50 +0200
From: Gabriel Ravier <gabravier@...il.com>
To: musl@...ts.openwall.com, enh <enh@...gle.com>,
Jₑₙₛ Gustedt <jens.gustedt@...ia.fr>
Cc: 罗勇刚(Yonggang Luo) <luoyonggang@...il.com>,
Jason Ekstrand <jason@...kstrand.net>
Subject: Re: C23 implications for C libraries
On 5/4/23 18:03, enh wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 11:19 PM Jₑₙₛ Gustedt <jens.gustedt@...ia.fr>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> on Wed, 3 May 2023 15:58:26 -0700 you (enh <enh@...gle.com>) wrote:
>
> > (i share others' skepticism that timespec_get() is very useful,
>
> I don't think that these interfaces by themselves are the most
> interesting. The original motivation to create these interfaces stem
> from the creation the integration of threads in to the C standard. And
> there the monotonic and thread-specific clocks make all their sense.
>
> But also having process cpu usage in a well-defined interface (`clock`
> usage is not portable for that) is a win.
>
>
> sure, but the more esoteric the clocks, the less likely _that_ part is
> to be portable anyway.
>
> > and especially that non-ISO bases will ever be useful to anyway, but
> > i like the idea of allowing future additions to "just work" with an
> > old libc enough that i've implemented bionic's
> > timespec_get()/timespec_getres() in this style.)
>
> Great!
>
> Do you have a link to that?
>
>
> https://android-review.googlesource.com/c/platform/bionic/+/2576754
>
> The particular choices of values become
> part of the ABI, sort-of. So it would be better to be consistent
> between implementations.
>
>
> are there any two linux libcs that are abi compatible? i didn't think so.
musl aims to have binary compatibility with glibc, so it very much
matters in this case
> Would this motivate musl to accept patches for the optional bases that
> come with C23? Or maybe the whole set?
>
>
> i think bionic and musl are philosophically quite different there ---
> musl seems to try to stick to the exact letter of ISO/POSIX, whereas
> with bionic i accept that for everything you can possibly imagine,
> _someone_ will be trying to do it, and -- unless you're actually going
> to prohibit it via selinux/seccomp for security or privacy reasons --
> i may as well make it as minimally painful as possible.
>
> Thanks
> Jₑₙₛ
>
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