kernel-hardening - Re: Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning to user-mode

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Message-ID: <20170509064522.anusoikaalvlux3w@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:45:22 +0200
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To: Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>
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Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address
 limit before returning to user-mode

* Greg KH <greg@...ah.com> wrote:

> What about a simple coccinelle script to test for this type of thing?
> We write it once, add it to the in-kernel body of tests, and then 0-day
> runs it on all trees all the time.  That should catch this type of
> issue, like all of the other "bad programming bus" that the tool
> currently catches.

Yeah, that would work - but today most of our coccinelle scripts are still pretty 
verbose, and I think it's important to make this a different category of 
coccinelle script, which is .config driven where a loud warning yells at us.

I.e. force the 'zero warnings tolerated' model.

I also noticed that Coccinelle builds are pretty slow, so it would still make 
sense to have a performance oriented static checking facility that does not have 
the performance baggage of high level functional languages.

I.e. either integrate it into Sparse - or start a kernel integrated static 
analysis tooling project that would only follow control flow initially - which is 
what we need here I believe.

We only have ~115 code blocks in the kernel that set/restore KERNEL_DS, it would 
be a pity to add a runtime check to every system call ...

We could also add a runtime check to oops handling to make sure we don't leak 
KERNEL_DS through kernel crashes, to ease worries about CVE-2010-4258.

Thanks,

	Ingo

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