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Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:34:04 +0200
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 1/4] syscalls: Verify address limit before returning
to user-mode
* Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org> wrote:
> >
> > * Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
> >
> >> > And yes, I realize that there were other such bugs and that such bugs might
> >> > occur in the future - but why not push the overhead of the security check to
> >> > the kernel build phase? I.e. I'm wondering how well we could do static
> >> > analysis during kernel build - would a limited mode of Sparse be good enough
> >> > for that? Or we could add a new static checker to tools/, built from first
> >> > principles and used primarily for extended syntactical checking.
> >>
> >> Static analysis is just not going to cover all cases. We've had vulnerabilities
> >> where interrupt handlers left KERNEL_DS set, for example. [...]
> >
> > Got any commit ID of that bug - was it because a function executed by the
> > interrupt handler leaked KERNEL_DS?
>
> Ah, it was an exception handler, but the one I was thinking of was this:
> https://lwn.net/Articles/419141/
Ok, so that's CVE-2010-4258, where an oops with KERNEL_DS set was used to escalate
privileges, due to the kernel's oops handler not cleaning up the KERNEL_DS. The
exploit used another bug, a crash in a network protocol handler, to execute the
oops handler with KERNEL_DS set.
The explanation of the exploit itself points out that it's a very interesting bug
and I agree, it's not a general kernel bug but a bug in a very narrow code path
(oops handling) that caused this, and I don't see how that example can be turned
into a general example: it was a bug in oops handling to let the process continue
execution (and perform the CLEARTID operation) *and* leak the address limit at
KERNEL_DS.
By similar argument a bug in the runtime checking of the address limit may allow
exploits. Consider the oops path cleanup a similarly sensitive code path as the
address limit check.
To handle this category of exploits it would be enough to add a runtime check to
the _oops handling code itself_ (to make sure we've set addr_limit back to USER_DS
even if we crash in a KERNEL_DS code area), not to every system call!
That check would avoid that particular historic pattern, if combined with static
analysis that ensured that KERNEL_DS is always set/restored correctly. (Which btw.
I believe some of the regular static scans of the kernel are already doing today.)
Furthermore, to go back to your original argument:
> Static analysis is just not going to cover all cases.
it's not even true that a runtime check will 'cover all cases': for example a
similar bug to CVE-2010-4258 could still be exploited:
- Note that the actual put_user() was not prevented via the runtime check - the
runtime check would run *after* the buggy put_user() was done. The runtime
check warns or panics after the fact, which might (or might not) be enough to
prevent the exploit.
- Also note that a slightly different form of the bug would still be exploitable,
even with the runtime check: for example if the task-shutdown code can be made
to unconditionally set KERNEL_DS, but after the put_user(), then the runtime
check would not 'cover all cases'.
So the argument for doing this runtime check after every system call is very
dubious.
Thanks,
Ingo
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