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Message-ID: <20060702034722.GA13712@openwall.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 07:47:22 +0400
From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com>
To: owl-users@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: tcb and friends with shadow-utils 4.0.12
I wrote:
> > SimplePAMApps is a package that provides small PAM-only implementations
> > of login, passwd, and su. It is essentially unmaintained upstream - so
> > we're maintaining it ourselves. (Maybe we should be making releases of
> > "our" SimplePAMApps separately from Owl.)
On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 09:21:10PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote:
> Yeah, I finally updated my CVS copy of owl and started grepping for
> passwd and found that. I was fiddling with it a bit before I had to
> take off, and there's some gcc4 cleanup that's needed I think in order
> for passwd to compile properly.
If SimplePAMApps requires any fixes for gcc 4.1+, I'm sure Dmitry
already has those implemented for ALT Linux's distributions.
> But I plan on dropping that in on my test vm and see if that makes a
> difference. If so, it'll be nice because our passwd is the only thing
> that uses libuser, so if I can drop it, fantastic. The other stuff I
> see in SimplePAMApps look to already be provided by util-linux, so the
> only thing I'm really interested in is passwd.
The implementations of all three utilities - login, passwd, and su - are
smaller and likely safer than those from util-linux and the shadow suite.
Owl-current on x86:
-rwx------ 1 root root 18604 2006-05-06 03:56 /bin/login
-rwx------ 1 root root 19120 2006-05-06 03:56 /bin/su
-rwx--s--x 1 root shadow 6884 2006-05-06 03:56 /usr/bin/passwd
RHEL3 Update 6 on x86:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 19868 Sep 14 2005 /bin/login
-rwx------ 1 root root 46156 Jul 22 2005 /bin/su
-r-s--x--x 1 root root 17700 Jun 25 2004 /usr/bin/passwd
(the perms on /bin/su is a local change).
> I should, now that I'm thinking of it, just try the passwd program from
> the shadow-utils suite too... that might work.
Yes, it might work, but I do not recommend it.
> In fact, openwall was where I got the
> idea of tagging stuff with -avx- or -fdr- or -mdk-, etc.
FWIW, when Red Hat Linux was split into RHEL and Fedora, we continued to
tag patches from Fedora with -rh-. We did not introduce a -fdr-.
--
Alexander Peslyak <solar at openwall.com>
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