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Message-ID: <87leq6if61.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:49:26 +0200
From: Florian Weimer <fw@...eb.enyo.de>
To: Jₑₙₛ Gustedt <jens.gustedt@...ia.fr>
Cc: enh <enh@...gle.com>, musl@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: C23 implications for C libraries
* J. ₑₙₛ Gustedt:
> Much as musl, the C standard is a volunteer project. Instead of
> reclaiming things you should ask yourself how can you or your company
> help.
>
> As all volunteer work, this is best effort. WG14 would have a much
> better stand if more of the industry would inject real work force into
> the committee. Currently there seem only be two of the bigger players
> that have people there that substantially work on the C standard
> during their office hours. The others are mostly academics like myself
> and people working in their free time.
The official contribution policies are here:
C - Contributing
<https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/contributing.html>
Note that it never says where to submit your contribution.
Actually, towards the end, that document explains why: participation
from “all members of the broader C community” is pretty much rejected:
| While we wish we could encourage all members of the broader C
| community to participate in the standardization process, we are an
| ISO working group and subject to their requirements. Contributors
| who are making sustained contributions should join their local
| national body to officially become a WG14 expert. For more
| information on joining a National Body, please see ISO
| <https://www.iso.org/members.html>.
Joining a “National Body” requires a non-nominal yearly fee, depending
on where you live, and even then the relevant committee or group there
needs to appoint you to WG14 (which may require participation in
additonal, regular meetings). I'm sure there are ways around that if
you know the right people, but I expect the issues around
representation you observe are directly related to these admission
policies.
This situation is not going to change any time soon, and that's one
reason why I started the libc-coord mailing list.
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