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Message-Id: <1587348046.pwnfbo52iq.astroid@bobo.none>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:08:36 +1000
From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@...il.com>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org>
Cc: Nicholas Piggin via Libc-alpha <libc-alpha@...rceware.org>,
libc-dev@...ts.llvm.org, linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org,
musl@...ts.openwall.com, Szabolcs Nagy <nsz@...t70.net>
Subject: Re: Powerpc Linux 'scv' system call ABI proposal take 2
Excerpts from Rich Felker's message of April 20, 2020 11:29 am:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:27:58AM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
>> Excerpts from Szabolcs Nagy's message of April 16, 2020 7:58 pm:
>> > * Nicholas Piggin via Libc-alpha <libc-alpha@...rceware.org> [2020-04-16 10:16:54 +1000]:
>> >> Well it would have to test HWCAP and patch in or branch to two
>> >> completely different sequences including register save/restores yes.
>> >> You could have the same asm and matching clobbers to put the sequence
>> >> inline and then you could patch the one sc/scv instruction I suppose.
>> >
>> > how would that 'patch' work?
>> >
>> > there are many reasons why you don't
>> > want libc to write its .text
>>
>> I guess I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to libraries.
>> Shame if there is no good way to load-time patch libc. It's orthogonal
>> to the scv selection though -- if you don't patch you have to
>> conditional or indirect branch however you implement it.
>
> Patched pages cannot be shared. The whole design of PIC and shared
> libraries is that the code("text")/rodata is immutable and shared and
> that only a minimal amount of data, packed tightly together (the GOT)
> has to exist per-instance.
Yeah the pages which were patched couldn't be shared across exec, which
is a significant downside, unless you could group all patch sites into
their own section and similarly pack it together (which has issues of
being out of line).
>
> Also, allowing patching of executable pages is generally frowned upon
> these days because W^X is a desirable hardening property.
Right, it would want be write-protected after being patched.
Thanks,
Nick
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