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Message-ID: <20190305131942.GA26605@port70.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 14:19:42 +0100
From: Szabolcs Nagy <nsz@...t70.net>
To: musl@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: C Annex K safe C functions
* Florian Weimer <fweimer@...hat.com> [2019-03-04 09:09:31 +0100]:
> * Rich Felker:
> > 5. Expanding on the topic of FUD/misinformation, both the introduction
> > of the original *_s functions, and lobbying for their inclusion in the
> > standard (which eventually reached the compromise of just putting them
> > in an Annex), was not about improving the C language or making useful
> > tools for programmers, but about introducing incompatibility and
> > fragmentation to the language/standard with the goal of undermining
> > it. The company that introduced it produces a product that is not
> > compatible with the C language as specified and does not even aim to
> > be, but aims to give the impression of being a C implementation (it's
> > mainly a C++ implementation, though likely not conforming to that
> > standard either).
>
> Does this really reflect history? I thought that Annex K was submitted
> for standardization well after the vendor in question withdrew from the
> ISO process.
well microsoft did lobby for the _s functions originally,
the msvc library team is likely responsible for the concept.
it turned into tr 24731 and eventually annex k in c11,
by that time microsoft may not have much to do with it.
one can dig through wg14 to see how it evolved.
initial work:
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1007.pdf
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1031.pdf
a tr 24731 meeting (ms is still involved):
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1129.pdf
some tr 24731 drafts:
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1088.pdf
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1146.pdf
austing group comments:
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1106.txt
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1160.pdf
responses:
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1118.htm
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1174.pdf
tr 24731 rationale:
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1173.pdf
c1x inclusion:
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1350.htm
http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1394.pdf
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