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Message-ID: <20170612090331.GZ9350@port70.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:03:32 +0200
From: Szabolcs Nagy <nsz@...t70.net>
To: musl@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] s390x: Add single instruction math functions
* David Edelsohn <dje.gcc@...il.com> [2017-06-11 22:46:09 -0400]:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Szabolcs Nagy <nsz@...t70.net> wrote:
> > * Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org> [2017-06-10 22:20:44 -0400]:
> >> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 05:48:05PM -0400, David Edelsohn wrote:
> >> > When I worked with Bobby Bingham to create the s390x port of Musl, I
> >> > said that he could assume newer processors. Also, I don't believe
> >> > that LLVM supports the earlier processors. I believe that he assumed
> >> > some more recent instructions in other parts of the code.
> >>
> >> That seems doubtful; the amount of asm in musl is minimal and unlikely
> >> to benefit from later ISA levels; all the instructions I see look like
> >> very basic stuff that would always have been available.
> >>
> >> Now, what likely is accurate is your claim that nobody is using musl
> >> on lower ISA levels, so maybe it doesn't matter.
> >
> > well i am using s390x musl with lower isa level for compile tests
> >
> > and it seems gas rejects unrecognized opcodes so the new inline
> > asm does not compile for me.
> >
> > i think either musl configure should make sure the cc targets
> > the right isa level or the code should handle it with ifdefs
>
> I have asked the IBM toolchain team how to distinguish the
> architecture level at compile time, or at least distinguish support
> for the FP rounding instruction.
>
> Are you actually running s390x musl on a system earlier than z196
> architecture level? The public IBM LinuxONE Cloud is running on a z13
> system, many generations newer than even z196.
>
no, i only have a cross compiler, but since the toolchain build script
uses default settings i get z900 arch, if that's not good then gcc
config default should be fixed for musl.
> The following IBM table of supported and tested systems
>
> https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/linux/resources/testedplatforms.html
>
> shows that RHEL 7 and SLES 12 require at least z196, and Ubuntu 16.04
> requires at least zEC12.
>
> I can't find any official hardware requirements description for Alpine
> Linux. I tend to doubt that user would run it on older hardware,
> especially hardware no longer supported by other, modern Linux
> distributions.
>
> Building musl libc on older hardware is a nice accomplishment, but
> investing effort and complexity to maintain support probably isn't
> useful to any musl libc user and probably isn't a productive use of
> developer resources.
>
> I will continue to inquire if there is a simple technique to accomplish this.
>
> Thanks, David
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