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Message-ID: <CAKFiscdezqX-Kt4GiyLmDcn4rKppkppMgC5oFymiz3viYfYjcg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 11:46:07 -0700
From: Christopher Lane <lanechr@...il.com>
To: Alba Pompeo <albapompeo@...il.com>
Cc: musl@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Re: Proposed COPYRIGHT file changes to resolve "PD" issue
We are, in various ways. We should be able to say more later this year. :)
On May 28, 2016 8:58 AM, "Alba Pompeo" <albapompeo@...il.com> wrote:
> Nice! Is Google using musl now?
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Christopher Lane <lanechr@...il.com>
> wrote:
> > Yes, and the changes were merged.
> >
> > On May 28, 2016 4:50 AM, "Alba Pompeo" <albapompeo@...il.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Was a resolution reached?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:56 PM, George Kulakowski
> >> <kulakowski@...gle.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Rich,
> >> >
> >> > rofl0r <retnyg@....net> is the only other contributor we found to
> have
> >> > made
> >> > any changes to those files.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:35 PM Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:57:06PM -0700, Christopher Lane wrote:
> >> >> > Rich,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Our lawyers just got back to me: looks good to us. Thanks so much
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > all
> >> >> > the time spent on this.
> >> >>
> >> >> At one point you said you would check the list of contributors you
> >> >> wanted to get clarification from. Does the list I put in the proposed
> >> >> patch look complete to you? I tried to include port contributors who
> >> >> wrote significant new stuff for these files but not anyone who just
> >> >> made minor patches to existing files or just copied existing files
> >> >> with minimal/no changes from an existing port.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rich
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Rich Felker <dalias@...c.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > After the previous discussions on the list, I spoke with one of
> >> >> > > Google's lawyers on the phone. It's taken me a while to follow up
> >> >> > > after that because I was away at ELC last week, but I think we
> have
> >> >> > > a
> >> >> > > good resolution as long as there are no objections.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Where I was coming from was not wanting license crap to be an
> >> >> > > obstacle
> >> >> > > to adoption of musl (after all, that's why I relicensed from LGPL
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > > MIT in the first place) but also not wanting to scrub my/our
> belief
> >> >> > > that some of these files are non-copyrightable or retroactively
> >> >> > > claim
> >> >> > > ownership of something we can't own.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Where they were coming from was a context of dealing with courts
> >> >> > > wrongly (this is my opinion I'm injecting here) deeming
> interfaces
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > > be copyrightable, and having to spend ridiculously
> disproportionate
> >> >> > > effort to determine if the license actually gives them permission
> >> >> > > to
> >> >> > > use all the code.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > While I don't really agree that they actually have cause for
> >> >> > > concern
> >> >> > > in musl's case, I do agree that the simple fact that the current
> >> >> > > text
> >> >> > > is causing concern means there's something wrong with it. A
> license
> >> >> > > should not make you have to stop and think about whether you can
> >> >> > > actually use the software, and certainly shouldn't necessitate
> 60+
> >> >> > > message mailing list threads.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The proposal we reached on the phone call was that I would try
> >> >> > > improving the previous patch to no longer make a statement about
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > copyrightability of the files in question, but to note that we
> >> >> > > expressed such a belief in the past. No new statement that we
> _do_
> >> >> > > hold copyright over these files is made, but the grants of
> >> >> > > permission
> >> >> > > are made unconditionally (i.e. without any conditions like "if
> >> >> > > these
> >> >> > > files are found to be subject to copyright...").
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > How does this sound? See the attached patch for the specific
> >> >> > > wording
> >> >> > > proposed and let me know if you have constructive ideas for
> >> >> > > improving
> >> >> > > it. On our side, it's really the agreement of the contributors of
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > affected code (I have a draft list of them in the patch) that
> >> >> > > matters,
> >> >> > > but I'd welcome input from others too. Also, the patch itself has
> >> >> > > not
> >> >> > > been run by Google's side yet -- I'm doing this all in the open
> --
> >> >> > > so
> >> >> > > there still may be further feedback/input from their side.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Rich
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > kthxbai
> >> >> > :wq
>
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