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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 16:41:31 -0500
From: stephen Turner <stephen.n.turner@...il.com>
To: musl@...ts.openwall.com, toybox@...ts.landley.net,
"aboriginal@...ts.landley.net" <Aboriginal@...ts.landley.net>
Subject: Re: kernel design
Rich and Rob,
Have you seen the new flash ram technology coming out? SSD strapped to a
ram bus and its fast.
http://highscalability.com/blog/2012/1/19/is-it-time-to-get-rid-of-the-linux-os-model-in-the-cloud.html
Rich, since you tweeted about kernel stuff this is a good thing to keep in
mind if your still looking at it. The I/O of devices is changing and
apparently linux is still a huge bottleneck to work with. According to this
it takes linux 20k instructions to perform a simple I/O request.
The more i read about the exo kernel stuff the more it seemed like all you
needed was the exo kernel and a lib to compensate for the missing kernel
bits which i wonder if it could be mostly a pass through with the kernel
not babysitting anymore.
exciting times.
stephen
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:12 PM, stephen Turner <stephen.n.turner@...il.com
> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Nathan McSween <nwmcsween@...il.com>
> wrote:
>
>> An exokernel just multiplexes resources, similar concept to 'unikernel'
>> design such as ellcc bare metal project except that unikernels includes the
>> api within the kernel (as I understand). IMO the best would a single
>> address space but would require a language that could guarantee safety, you
>> would still need to the split though to verify that it isn't something that
>> shouldn't be loaded though. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>> On Jan 28, 2015 7:41 AM, "stephen Turner" <stephen.n.turner@...il.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> so I have found 4 kernel types, exo, mono, mach, hybrid.
>>>
>>> the Exo sounds like the way to go but im curious if it could be built to
>>> work with the existing linux world without rewriting everything for it.
>>> since i have no programming knowledge im just curious what you guys think
>>> about it if you have given it any thought.
>>>
>>> It is definately the ideal for hypervisors and with what little i have
>>> read thus far feels like it manages hardware usage like containers but
>>> without most of the kernel overhead to do so.
>>>
>>> Im getting tickled about this exo kernel. think i will go find more on
>>> it.
>>>
>>> stephen
>>>
>>
> Unikernels is that bare metal stuff is it not? so then that elk project
> (is it elk?) is a unikernel + Musl + what ever linkage (syscalls and api?)
> is needed to support native linux apps?
>
> If i am understanding this still out of my element programming jargon, exo
> kernels don't manage the apps they take a step back and simply supervise.
> this leaves the existing gnu applications to speak directly with hardware
> which they were not made for by using syscalls that the existing kernel
> recognizes. so there would need to be a userspace kernel (now were getting
> into mach kernels) of sorts to intermediate for old school apps while
> allowing new built for exo kernel apps to do their unencumbered duties.
>
> sound like wayland + xwayland to anyone else? :-p
>
> Stephen
>
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