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Message-ID: <b11918117c26af691018e018bbf6b418@exys.org>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:51:54 +0200
From: aep <aep@...s.org>
To: <musl@...ts.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: Vision for new platform
On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:18:47 -0400, Rich Felker wrote:
> but when it comes down to it,
> in order for anything to work _right_, you need GNOME.
I'm afraid, that's the consistency i was talking about. Gnome or KDE
are the only FDO choices available. I can fully understand the decision
not to support my pile of hacks i call work environment,
because the only fully understood and properly researched (with actual
real scientists, not bloggers) work environment is microsoft windows.
There is nothing wrong with business decisions.
The only grudge i hold is that this entirely destroyed any fun in linux
as a hobby for me.
> This placed an unnecessary
> burden on the desktop environment/file manager to get things right
The middleware bloatup here is just an artifact of the lack of policy
in the lower stack, indeed.
It requires discipline that all of the free workforce out there just
lacks, so you need guys like canonical to pour money in the pipe, and
they typically fund the cheap high school kids with no experience in
system design but lots of confidence. It also requires tons of manhours
in testing, in order to get it working on all of the trillions of
permutations of configurations. It's not something you just hack away in
your lunch break.
> remember HAL?
It went away before i finished laughing.
> That's why I think, to be viable and relevant
Yes of course. I couldn't agree more.
All i'm trying to do is tell you, is that it's bloody hard. But talking
to the guy who had the balls to rebuild a libc from scratch, it's
possible you might just be able to pull it of.
Just put the bar a bit lower. Targeting existing desktop users isn't
all that desirable. They're perfectly happy with the UI's that canonical
provides for them. And it's a good thing these people like their
universe and everything,
just like Drepper still has friends.
Arvid
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