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Message-ID: <c77abad8-55a6-d66a-8d4d-dfc598fe5251@omprussia.ru> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:15:10 +0300 From: Igor Zhbanov <i.zhbanov@...russia.ru> To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>, Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk> CC: Mickaël Salaün <mic@...ikod.net>, Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.ibm.com>, <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Aleksa Sarai <cyphar@...har.com>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>, Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@...ntu.com>, Christian Heimes <christian@...hon.org>, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>, Deven Bowers <deven.desai@...ux.microsoft.com>, Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@...gle.com>, Eric Biggers <ebiggers@...nel.org>, Eric Chiang <ericchiang@...gle.com>, Florian Weimer <fweimer@...hat.com>, James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>, Lakshmi Ramasubramanian <nramas@...ux.microsoft.com>, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...gle.com>, Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@...il.com>, Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@...hat.com>, Philippe Trébuchet <philippe.trebuchet@....gouv.fr>, Scott Shell <scottsh@...rosoft.com>, Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@...el.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@...nel.org>, Steve Dower <steve.dower@...hon.org>, Steve Grubb <sgrubb@...hat.com>, Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@...ove.sakura.ne.jp>, Thibaut Sautereau <thibaut.sautereau@...p-os.org>, Vincent Strubel <vincent.strubel@....gouv.fr>, <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>, <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>, <linux-integrity@...r.kernel.org>, <linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>, <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v9 0/3] Add introspect_access(2) (was O_MAYEXEC) On 10.09.2020 23:05, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 09:00:10PM +0100, Al Viro wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 07:40:33PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 08:38:21PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote: >>>> There is also the use case of noexec mounts and file permissions. From >>>> user space point of view, it doesn't matter which kernel component is in >>>> charge of defining the policy. The syscall should then not be tied with >>>> a verification/integrity/signature/appraisal vocabulary, but simply an >>>> access control one. >>> >>> permission()? >> >> int lsm(int fd, const char *how, char *error, int size); >> >> Seriously, this is "ask LSM to apply special policy to file"; let's >> _not_ mess with flags, etc. for that; give it decent bandwidth >> and since it's completely opaque for the rest of the kernel, >> just a pass a string to be parsed by LSM as it sees fit. > > Hang on, it does have some things which aren't BD^W^WLSM. It lets > the interpreter honour the mount -o noexec option. I presume it's > not easily defeated by > cat /home/salaun/bin/bad.pl | perl - Hi! It could be bypassed this way. There are several ways of executing some script: 1) /unsigned.sh (Already handled by IMA) 2) bash /unsigned.sh (Not handled. Works even with "-o noexec" mount) 3) bash < /unsigned.sh (Not handled. Works even with "-o noexec" mount) 4) cat /unsigned.sh | bash (Not handled. Works even with "-o noexec" mount) AFAIK, the proposed syscall solves #2 and may be #3. As for #4 in security critical environments there should be system-wide options to disable interpreting scripts from the standard input. I suppose, executing commands from the stdin is a rare case, and could be avoided entirely in security critical environments. And yes, some help from the interpreters is needed for that. As for the usage of the system call, I have a proposal to extend its usage to validate systemd unit files. Because a unit file could specify what UID to use for a service, also it contains ExecStartPre which is actually a script and is running as root (for the system session services). For the syscall name it could be: - trusted_file() - trusted_file_content() - valid_file() - file_integrity() because what we are checking here is the file content integrity (IMA) and may be file permissions/attrs integrity (EVM).
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