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Message-ID: <202003311257.3372EC63@keescook>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:58:30 -0700
From: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com>
Cc: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>, Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF and CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:50:07PM -0700, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:12 AM Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:41:04AM +0200, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> > > On 3/30/20 7:20 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:17:32PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 5:59 PM Alexei Starovoitov
> > > > > <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:14 AM Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I noticed that CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF seems to partly defeat the point
> > > > > > > of CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it a theoretical stmt or you have data?
> > > > > > I think it's the other way around.
> > > > > > gcc-plugin breaks dwarf and breaks btf.
> > > > > > But I only looked at gcc patches without applying them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, interesting - I haven't actually tested it, I just assumed
> > > > > (perhaps incorrectly) that the GCC plugin would deal with DWARF info
> > > > > properly.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, GCC appears to create DWARF before the plugin does the
> > > > randomization[1], so it's not an exposure, but yes, struct randomization
> > > > is pretty completely incompatible with a bunch of things in the kernel
> > > > (by design). I'm happy to add negative "depends" in the Kconfig if it
> > > > helps clarify anything.
> > >
> > > Is this expected to get fixed at some point wrt DWARF? Perhaps would make
> >
> > No, gcc closed the issue as "won't fix".
> >
> > > sense then to add a negative "depends" for both DWARF and BTF if the option
> > > GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT is set given both would be incompatible/broken.
> >
> > I hadn't just to keep wider randconfig build test coverage. That said, I
> > could make it be: depends COMPILE_TEST || !DWARF ...
> >
> > I can certainly do that.
>
> I've asked Slava in [0] to disable all three known configs that break
> DWARF and subsequently BTF, I hope it's ok to just do it in one patch.
> Currently all these appear to result in invalid BTF due to various
> DWARF modifications:
>
> - DEBUG_INFO_REDUCED (see [1])
> - DEBUG_INFO_SPLIT (see [0]
> - GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT (this discussion).
>
> [0] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/CAEf4BzadnfAwfa1D0jZb=01Ou783GpK_U7PAYeEJca-L9kdnVA@mail.gmail.com/
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/CAEf4BzZri8KpwLcoPgjiVx_=QmJ2W9UzBkDqSO2rUWMzWogkKg@mail.gmail.com/
Sure! That'd by fine by me. I'd just like it to be a "|| COMPILE_TEST"
for GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT. Feel free to CC me for an Ack. :)
-Kees
>
>
> >
> > -Kees
> >
> > [1] https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84052
> >
> > --
> > Kees Cook
--
Kees Cook
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