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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:59:44 +0200
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 0/6] Introduce the STACKLEAK feature and a test for it
* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:37 PM Alexander Popov <alex.popov@...ux.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is the 14th version of the patch series introducing STACKLEAK
> > to the mainline kernel for x86. This version comes with style changes
> > according to the feedback from Ingo Molnar and includes Laura Abbott's
> > modifications of scripts/Makefile.gcc-plugins.
>
> As before, I will repeat that I think 1% on a kernel compile (which
> has almost no actual kernel footprint) is a huge cost, and other -
> more kernel-centric - loads will likely see much worse performance.
>
> And I still think that this is stupid, and peoples time would be
> *much* better spent on plugins that have much lower costs and get
> pretty much the same advanytages (ie the whole "just initialize all
> automatics to zero" thing or similar).
>
> But whatever. I'll just continue to tell people not to use silly
> config options that have a high cost-to-point ratio. If people *want*
> to waste their CPU, that's their problem.
So I agree that it's pretty stupid. Since 95%+ of our users just use what the
distro configured - so at minimum I'd like to see a runtime patching based way
for root to disable it, so that people (who care or who are hurt by it) can
turn the check off - which should be the most expensive part causing much of the 1%
overhead.
Shouldn't be too hard to implement, this is just a checking method called for
every system call that does nothing substantial in 99.99999% of the cases.
Thanks,
Ingo
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