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Message-ID: <20180112175109.yoz4jaaipztdj34k@treble>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:51:09 -0600
From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com, x86@...nel.org,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, tglx@...utronix.de,
torvalds@...ux-foundation.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
alan@...ux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/19] x86: introduce __uaccess_begin_nospec and
ASM_IFENCE
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 04:47:02PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
> For 'get_user' paths, do not allow the kernel to speculate on the value
> of a user controlled pointer. In addition to the 'stac' instruction for
> Supervisor Mode Access Protection, an 'ifence' causes the 'access_ok'
> result to resolve in the pipeline before the cpu might take any
> speculative action on the pointer value.
So I understand the need to "patch first and ask questions later". I
also understand that usercopy is an obvious attack point for speculative
bugs. However, I'm still hopelessly confused about what exactly this
patch (and the next one) are supposed to accomplish.
I can't figure out if:
a) I'm missing something completely obvious;
b) this is poorly described; or
c) it doesn't actually fix/protect/harden anything.
The commit log doesn't help me at all. In fact, it confuses me more.
For example, this paragraph:
> Since this is a major kernel interface that deals with user controlled
> data, the '__uaccess_begin_nospec' mechanism will prevent speculative
> execution past an 'access_ok' permission check. While speculative
> execution past 'access_ok' is not enough to lead to a kernel memory
> leak, it is a necessary precondition.
That just sounds wrong. What if the speculation starts *after* the
access_ok() check? Then the barrier has no purpose.
Most access_ok/get_user/copy_from_user calls are like this:
if (copy_from_user(...uptr..)) /* or access_ok() or get_user() */
return -EFAULT;
So in other words, the usercopy function is called *before* the branch.
But to halt speculation, the lfence needs to come *after* the branch.
So putting lfences *before* the branch doesn't solve anything.
So what am I missing?
--
Josh
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