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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 15:58:43 -0600
From: ebiederm@...ssion.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार) <maheshb@...gle.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>, Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@...onical.com>, Boris Lukashev <blukashev@...pervictus.com>, Daniel Micay <danielmicay@...il.com>, Mahesh Bandewar <mahesh@...dewar.net>, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, Kernel-hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>, Linux API <linux-api@...r.kernel.org>, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>, David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH resend 2/2] userns: control capabilities of some user namespaces
"Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार)" <maheshb@...gle.com> writes:
> [resend response as earlier one failed because of formatting issues]
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@...lyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 09, 2017 at 09:55:41AM +0900, Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार) wrote:
>> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:02 AM, Christian Brauner
>> > <christian.brauner@...onical.com> wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:09:59AM -0800, Mahesh Bandewar (महेश बंडेवार) wrote:
>> > >> Sorry folks I was traveling and seems like lot happened on this thread. :p
>> > >>
>> > >> I will try to response few of these comments selectively -
>> > >>
>> > >> > The thing that makes me hesitate with this set is that it is a
>> > >> > permanent new feature to address what (I hope) is a temporary
>> > >> > problem.
>> > >> I agree this is permanent new feature but it's not solving a temporary
>> > >> problem. It's impossible to assess what and when new vulnerability
>> > >> that could show up. I think Daniel summed it up appropriately in his
>> > >> response
>> > >>
>> > >> > Seems like there are two naive ways to do it, the first being to just
>> > >> > look at all code under ns_capable() plus code called from there. It
>> > >> > seems like looking at the result of that could be fruitful.
>> > >> This is really hard. The main issue that there were features designed
>> > >> and developed before user-ns days with an assumption that unprivileged
>> > >> users will never get certain capabilities which only root user gets.
>> > >> Now that is not true anymore with user-ns creation with mapping root
>> > >> for any process. Also at the same time blocking user-ns creation for
>> > >> eveyone is a big-hammer which is not needed too. So it's not that easy
>> > >> to just perform a code-walk-though and correct those decisions now.
>> > >>
>> > >> > It seems to me that the existing control in
>> > >> > /proc/sys/kernel/unprivileged_userns_clone might be the better duct tape
>> > >> > in that case.
>> > >> This solution is essentially blocking unprivileged users from using
>> > >> the user-namespaces entirely. This is not really a solution that can
>> > >> work. The solution that this patch-set adds allows unprivileged users
>> > >> to create user-namespaces. Actually the proposed solution is more
>> > >> fine-grained approach than the unprivileged_userns_clone solution
>> > >> since you can selectively block capabilities rather than completely
>> > >> blocking the functionality.
>> > >
>> > > I've been talking to Stéphane today about this and we should also keep in mind
>> > > that we have:
>> > >
>> > > chb@...ventiont|~
>> > >> ls -al /proc/sys/user/
>> > > total 0
>> > > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Nov 6 23:32 .
>> > > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Nov 2 22:13 ..
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_cgroup_namespaces
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_inotify_instances
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_inotify_watches
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_ipc_namespaces
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_mnt_namespaces
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_net_namespaces
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_pid_namespaces
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_user_namespaces
>> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 8 19:48 max_uts_namespaces
>> > >
>> > > These files allow you to limit the number of namespaces that can be created
>> > > *per namespace* type. So let's say your system runs a bunch of user namespaces
>> > > you can do:
>> > >
>> > > chb@...ventiont|~
>> > >> echo 0 > /proc/sys/user/max_user_namespaces
>> > >
>> > > So that the next time you try to create a user namespaces you'd see:
>> > >
>> > > chb@...ventiont|~
>> > >> unshare -U
>> > > unshare: unshare failed: No space left on device
>> > >
>> > > So there's not even a need to upstream a new sysctl since we have ways of
>> > > blocking this.
>> > >
>> > I'm not sure how it's solving the problem that my patch-set is addressing?
>> > I agree though that the need for unprivileged_userns_clone sysctl goes
>> > away as this is equivalent to setting that sysctl to 0 as you have
>> > described above.
>>
>> oh right that was the reasoning iirc for not needing the other sysctl.
>>
>> > However as I mentioned earlier, blocking processes from creating
>> > user-namespaces is not the solution. Processes should be able to
>> > create namespaces as they are designed but at the same time we need to
>> > have controls to 'contain' them if a need arise. Setting max_no to 0
>> > is not the solution that I'm looking for since it doesn't solve the
>> > problem.
>>
>> well yesterday we were told that was explicitly not the goal, but that was
>> not by you ... i just mention it to explain why we seem to be walking in
>> circles a bit.
>>
>> anyway the bounding set doesn't actually make sense so forget that. the
>> question then is just whether it makes sense to allow things to continue
>> at all in this situation. would you mind indulging me by giving one or two
>> concrete examples in the previous known cves of what capabilities you would
>> have dropped tto allow the rest to continue to be safely used?
>>
> Of course. Let's take an example of the CVE that I have mentioned in
> my cover-letter -
> CVE-2017-7308(https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2017-7308).
> It's well documented and even has a
> exploit(https://github.com/xairy/kernel-exploits/tree/master/CVE-2017-7308)
> c-program that can demonstrate how it can be used against non-patched
> kernel. There is very nice blog
> post(https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.kr/2017/05/exploiting-linux-kernel-via-packet.html)
> about this vulnerability by Andrey Konovalov.
>
> This is about the AF_PACKET socket interface that is protected behind
> NET_RAW capability. This capability is not available to unprivileged
> user. However, any unprivileged user can get NET_RAW capability (as
> demonstrated in the cover-letter code that I have attached in this
> patch series) so this NET_RAW capability is available to any
> unprivileged user on the host if the kernel has user-namespaces
> available.
>
> With this patch-set applied, all that is needed is to flip a bit with
> the sysctl (kernel.controlled_userns_caps_whitelist) as demonstrated
> below -
>
> root@...h6:~# uname -a
> Linux lphh6 4.14.0-smp-DEV #97 SMP @1510203579 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> root@...h6:~# sysctl -q kernel.controlled_userns_caps_whitelist
> kernel.controlled_userns_caps_whitelist = 1f,ffffffff
>
> Now when I run the program (demo from the cover-letter) as a normal
> unprivileged user I can't create a RAW socket in init-ns but I can in
> the child-ns.
>
> dumbo@...h6:~$ /tmp/acquire_raw
> Attempting to open RAW socket before unshare()...
> socket() SOCK_RAW failed: : Operation not permitted
> Attempting to open RAW socket after unshare()...
> Successfully opened RAW-Sock after unshare().
> dumbo@...h6:~$
>
> Now as a root user. Take off CAP_NET_RAW
>
> root@...h6:~# sysctl -w kernel.controlled_userns_caps_whitelist=1f,ffffdfff
> kernel.controlled_userns_caps_whitelist = 1f,ffffdfff
> root@...h6:~#
>
> Now run the same program as an unprivileged user -
>
> dumbo@...h6:~$ /tmp/acquire_raw
> Attempting to open RAW socket before unshare()...
> socket() SOCK_RAW failed: : Operation not permitted
> Attempting to open RAW socket after unshare()...
> socket() SOCK_RAW failed: : Operation not permitted
> dumbo@...h6:~$
>
> Notice that it has failed to create a raw socket in init and in child
> namespace. It's not blocking creation of user-namespaces but allowing
> admin turn individual capability bits on and off.
>
> This is very simplistic example of just demonstrating how capability
> bits turn-on/off works. So let's assume a sandboxed environment where
> we don't know what a binary that we are about run in an environment
> which is identified as susceptible. By turning off the NET_RAW bit,
> the admin gets an assurance that system is safe and if binary fails
> because it's not getting this capability then that bad but a sad
> consequence (without compromising the host integrity) but if it
> doesn't use the NET_RAW capability but any other combination of
> remaining 36 capabilities, it would get whatever is necessary. This
> means we can safely allow processes to create user-namespaces by
> taking off certain capabilities in question for temporary/extended
> period until proper fix is applied without compromising the system
> integrity. The impact will vary based on which capability is taken off
> and admin would / should be ware of for the environment that he/she is
> dealing with.
My challenge with this reasoning is that I don't know that it meanifully
generalizes to any other capability.
I can in the sandbox today create a user namespace and then set
max_net_namespaces to 0, and drop CAP_NET_RAW and that blocks
the attack. (Possibly with a little spice to prevent a suid root
program from reacquiring CAP_NET_RAW).
So while your solution doesn't look horrible especially if it can be
done at a user namespace level so the restrictions can be limited to a
single sandbox. I am not at all certain that the capabilities is the
proper place to limit code reachability.
I would very much like to see which capabilities that are available with
ns_capable, are more meaningful to limit than just dropping the
capability during sandbox creation and denying the creation of the
corresponding namespace.
CAP_NET_RAW is one. Are there any other capabilities that are
meanginful to limit?
Eric
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