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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:05:38 +1100
From: "Tobin C. Harding" <me@...in.cc>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] scripts: add leaking_addresses.pl
Hi Kees,
It seems I over looked your suggestions when submitting v4. My mistake.
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 01:22:13PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Tobin C. Harding <me@...in.cc> wrote:
> >> Currently we are leaking addresses from the kernel to user space. This
> >> script is an attempt to find some of those leakages. Script parses
> >> `dmesg` output and /proc and /sys files for hex strings that look like
> >> kernel addresses.
> >
> > Lovely. This is great. It shows just how much totally pointless stuff
> > we leak, and to normal users that really shouldn't need it.
> >
> > I had planned to wait for 4.15 to look at the printk hashing stuff
> > etc, but this part I think I could/should merge early just because I
> > think a lot of kernel developers will go "Why the f*ck would we expose
> > that kernel address there?"
> >
> > The module sections stuff etc should likely be obviously root-only,
> > although maybe I'm missing some tool that ends up using it and is
> > useful to normal developers.
> >
> > And I'm thinking we could make kallsyms smarter too, and instead of
> > depending on kptr_restrict that screws over things with much too big a
> > hammer, we could make it take 'perf_event_paranoid' into account. I
> > suspect that's the main user of kallsyms that would still be relevant
> > to non-root.
>
> Linus, what do you have in mind for the root-only "yes we really need
> the actual address output" exceptions?
>
> For example, right now /sys/kernel/debug/kernel_page_tables
> (CONFIG_X86_PTDUMP=y) needs actual address and currently uses %x.
>
> Looking other places that stand out, it seems like
> /proc/lockdep_chains and /proc/lockdep (CONFIG_LOCKDEP=y) has a ton of
> %p usage. It's unclear to me if a hash is sufficient for meaningful
> debugging there?
>
> Seems like these three from dmesg could be removed?
>
> [ 0.000000] Base memory trampoline at [ffffa3fc40099000] 99000 size 24576
> arch/x86/realmode/init.c
>
> [ 0.000000] percpu: Embedded 38 pages/cpu @ffffa4007fc00000 s116944
> r8192 d30512 u524288
> mm/percpu.c
>
> [ 0.456395] software IO TLB [mem 0xbbfdf000-0xbffdf000] (64MB)
> mapped at [ffffa3fcfbfdf000-ffffa3fcfffdefff]
> lib/swiotlb.c
>
> Tobin, some other feedback on v4...
>
> I find the output hard to parse. Instead of:
>
> [27527 lockdep_chains] [ffffffffb226c628] cgroup_mutex
>
> Could we have:
>
> 27527 /proc/lockdep_chains: [ffffffffb226c628] cgroup_mutex
This is what I had during development, it becomes had to parse when the
message contains ':' and also if the address is not contained in braces
(I'm assuming '[ffffffffb226c628] cgroup_mutex' is the message).
We could use your suggested format but replace the ':' character?
> At the very least, getting the full file path is needed or might not
> be clear where something lives.
Current dev version includes this.
> And for my kernels, I needed to exclude usbmon or the script would
> hang (perhaps add a read timeout to the script to detect stalling
> files?)
Good idea, I'll add this.
> diff --git a/scripts/leaking_addresses.pl b/scripts/leaking_addresses.pl
> index 282c0cc2bdea..a9b729c0a052 100644
> --- a/scripts/leaking_addresses.pl
> +++ b/scripts/leaking_addresses.pl
> @@ -70,6 +70,7 @@ my @skip_walk_dirs_any = ('self',
> 'thread-self',
> 'cwd',
> 'fd',
> + 'usbmon',
> 'stderr',
> 'stdin',
> 'stdout');
>
Added this.
thanks. Again, sorry for missing this before v4.
Tobin
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