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Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:37:51 -0400
From: Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@...il.com>
To: kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: ME and PSP
Recently a few things have been revealed about how to disable the
Intel Management Engine (ME).
http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2017/08/disabling-intel-me.html
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/29/intel_management_engine_can_be_disabled/
I have not seen anything on disabling the similar AMD feature called
PSP. Either appears to be a huge security hazard -- a device you have
little choice but to trust but that you have little control over, that
operates below the level of the main CPU & OS, that has access to
everything & that is Turing complete so it can do anything.
By the time a hardened kernel loads, it may be too late to prevent ME
entirely, but are there other things the kernel could do? Issue a
syslog warning? Monitor ME activity somehow? Restrict its access to
the network so at least external attacks are blocked?
There are several different utilities to reduce ME danger, though I
have not looked at details & I have the impression most do not disable
it completely. Will current hardened kernels run on a system with ME
disabled? Is that tested?
The best summary of the issue I have seen -- though it is neither
up-to-date nor devoted to only the one issue is:
https://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/x86_harmful.pdf
There has been discussion on the Qubes users list:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/qubes-users
The only plausible solutions suggested there boil down to not using
recent x86 chips at all. Either use older Intel/AMD parts without the
feature or go to IBM Power CPUs.
No-one has mentioned ARM in that discussion & I am not sure where they
would fit in.
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