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Message-ID: <CAJcbSZFTX3uiS2g8JriS6+z_+WrG8z3hrQo4OSuyHpiyUDJWYA@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 08:09:04 -0700 From: Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@...gle.com> To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org> Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>, "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>, Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@...omium.org>, Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@...cle.com>, Juergen Gross <jgross@...e.com>, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@...hat.com>, Radim Krčmář <rkrcmar@...hat.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@...tes.org>, Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@....com>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...e.de>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@...il.com>, "Kirill A . Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>, "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@...ysocki.net>, Len Brown <len.brown@...el.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>, Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux.com>, Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@...driver.com>, Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...lanox.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, "Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>, Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@...aro.org>, Christopher Li <sparse@...isli.org>, "Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>, Lukas Wunner <lukas@...ner.de>, Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@...ux.intel.com>, Dou Liyang <douly.fnst@...fujitsu.com>, Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>, Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@...ionext.com>, Markus Trippelsdorf <markus@...ppelsdorf.de>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>, Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>, Waiman Long <longman@...hat.com>, Kyle Huey <me@...ehuey.com>, Peter Foley <pefoley2@...oley.com>, Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@...ux.intel.com>, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@...e.com>, Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@...rosoft.com>, "H . J . Lu" <hjl.tools@...il.com>, Paul Bolle <pebolle@...cali.nl>, Rob Landley <rob@...dley.net>, Baoquan He <bhe@...hat.com>, Daniel Micay <danielmicay@...il.com>, "the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@...nel.org>, linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, xen-devel@...ts.xenproject.org, kvm list <kvm@...r.kernel.org>, Linux PM list <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>, linux-arch <linux-arch@...r.kernel.org>, linux-sparse@...r.kernel.org, Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de> Subject: Re: x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:41 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org> wrote: > > * Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@...gle.com> wrote: > >> Changes: >> - v2: >> - Add support for global stack cookie while compiler default to fs without >> mcmodel=kernel >> - Change patch 7 to correctly jump out of the identity mapping on kexec load >> preserve. >> >> These patches make the changes necessary to build the kernel as Position >> Independent Executable (PIE) on x86_64. A PIE kernel can be relocated below >> the top 2G of the virtual address space. It allows to optionally extend the >> KASLR randomization range from 1G to 3G. > > So this: > > 61 files changed, 923 insertions(+), 299 deletions(-) > > ... is IMHO an _awful_ lot of churn and extra complexity in pretty fragile pieces > of code, to gain what appears to be only ~1.5 more bits of randomization! The range increase is a way to use PIE right away. > > Do these changes get us closer to being able to build the kernel as truly position > independent, i.e. to place it anywhere in the valid x86-64 address space? Or any > other advantages? Yes, PIE allows us to put the kernel anywhere in memory. It will allow us to have a full randomized address space where position and order of sections are completely random. There is still some work to get there but being able to build a PIE kernel is a significant step. > > Thanks, > > Ingo -- Thomas
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