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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 08:36:07 +0100
From: Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To: Laura Abbott <labbott@...hat.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 1/2] arch: Move CONFIG_DEBUG_RODATA and
CONFIG_SET_MODULE_RONX to be common
On Mon 2017-02-06 10:47:45, Laura Abbott wrote:
> On 02/03/2017 01:08 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux
> > <linux@...linux.org.uk> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 11:45:56AM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Laura Abbott <labbott@...hat.com> wrote:
> >>>> diff --git a/arch/Kconfig b/arch/Kconfig
> >>>> index 99839c2..22ee01e 100644
> >>>> --- a/arch/Kconfig
> >>>> +++ b/arch/Kconfig
> >>>> @@ -781,4 +781,32 @@ config VMAP_STACK
> >>>> the stack to map directly to the KASAN shadow map using a formula
> >>>> that is incorrect if the stack is in vmalloc space.
> >>>>
> >>>> +config ARCH_NO_STRICT_RWX_DEFAULTS
> >>>> + def_bool n
> >>>> +
> >>>> +config ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> >>>> + def_bool n
> >>>> +
> >>>> +config DEBUG_RODATA
> >>>> + def_bool y if !ARCH_NO_STRICT_RWX_DEFAULTS
> >>>> + prompt "Make kernel text and rodata read-only" if ARCH_NO_STRICT_RWX_DEFAULTS
> >>>
> >>> Ah! Yes, perfect. I totally forgot about using conditional "prompt"
> >>> lines. Nice!
> >>
> >> It's no different from the more usual:
> >>
> >> bool "Make kernel text and rodata read-only" if ARCH_NO_STRICT_RWX_DEFAULTS
> >> default y if !ARCH_NO_STRICT_RWX_DEFAULTS
> >> depends on ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> >>
> >> But... I really don't like this - way too many negations and negatives
> >> which make it difficult to figure out what's going on here.
> >>
> >> The situation we have today is:
> >>
> >> -config DEBUG_RODATA
> >> - bool "Make kernel text and rodata read-only"
> >> - depends on MMU && !XIP_KERNEL
> >> - default y if CPU_V7
> >>
> >> which is "allow the user to select DEBUG_RODATA if building a MMU non-XIP
> >> kernel", suggesting that the user turns it on for ARMv7 CPUs.
> >>
> >> That changes with this and the above:
> >>
> >> + select ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX if MMU && !XIP_KERNEL
> >> + select ARCH_HAS_STRICT_MODULE_RWX if MMU
> >> + select ARCH_NO_STRICT_RWX_DEFAULTS if !CPU_V7
> >>
> >> This means that ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX is set for a MMU non-XIP
> >> kernel, which carries the same pre-condition for DEBUG_RODATA - no
> >> problem there.
> >>
> >> However, ARCH_NO_STRICT_RWX_DEFAULTS is set for non-ARMv7 CPUs, which
> >> means the "Make kernel text and rodata read-only" prompt _is_ provided
> >> for those. However, for all ARMv7 systems, we go from "suggesting that
> >> the user enables the option" to "you don't have a choice, you get this
> >> whether you want it or not."
> >>
> >> I'd prefer to keep it off for my development systems, where I don't
> >> care about kernel security. If we don't wish to do that as a general
> >> rule, can we make it dependent on EMBEDDED?
> >>
> >> Given that on ARM it can add up to 4MB to the kernel image - there
> >> _will_ be about 1MB before the .text section, the padding on between
> >> __modver and __ex_table which for me is around 626k, the padding
> >> between .notes and the init sections start with .vectors (the space
> >> between __ex_table and end of .notes is only 4124, which gets padded
> >> up to 1MB) and lastly the padding between the .init section and the
> >> data section (for me around 593k). This all adds up to an increase
> >> in kernel image size of 3.2MB on 14.2MB - an increase of 22%.
> >>
> >> So no, I'm really not happy with that.
> >
> > Ah yeah, good point. We have three cases: unsupported, mandatory,
> > optional, but we have the case of setting the default for the optional
> > case. Maybe something like this?
> >
> > config STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> > bool "Make kernel text and rodata read-only" if ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX
> > depends on ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> > default ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX_DEFAULT
> >
> > unsupported:
> > !ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> >
> > mandatory:
> > ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> > !ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX
> >
> > optional:
> > ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> > ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX
> > with default controlled by ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX_DEFAULT
> >
> > Then arm is:
> > select ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX if MMU && !XIP_KERNEL
> > select ARCH_HAS_STRICT_MODULE_RWX if MMU
> > select ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX if ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> > select ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX_DEFAULT if CPU_V7
> >
> > x86 and arm64 are:
> > select ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
> > select ARCH_HAS_STRICT_MODULE_RWX
> >
> > ?
> >
> > -Kees
> >
>
> Yes, that looks good. I wanted it to be mandatory to avoid the
> mindset of "optional means we don't need it" but I see there
> are some cases where it's better to turn it off. I'll see if
> I can emphasize this properly in the help text ("Say Y here
> unless you love security exploits running in production")
What about fixing the memory wastage, instead? If you want something
almost-always-on, it should not waste megabytes of memory.
And BTW it is help text, not advertising for your favourite feature.
Pavel
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