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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:42:38 -0800
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/6] random: use SipHash in place of MD5
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@...c4.com> wrote:
> unsigned int get_random_int(void)
> {
> - __u32 *hash;
> - unsigned int ret;
> -
> - if (arch_get_random_int(&ret))
> - return ret;
> -
> - hash = get_cpu_var(get_random_int_hash);
> -
> - hash[0] += current->pid + jiffies + random_get_entropy();
> - md5_transform(hash, random_int_secret);
> - ret = hash[0];
> - put_cpu_var(get_random_int_hash);
> -
> - return ret;
> + unsigned int arch_result;
> + u64 result;
> + struct random_int_secret *secret;
> +
> + if (arch_get_random_int(&arch_result))
> + return arch_result;
> +
> + secret = get_random_int_secret();
> + result = siphash_3u64(secret->chaining, jiffies,
> + (u64)random_get_entropy() + current->pid,
> + secret->secret);
> + secret->chaining += result;
> + put_cpu_var(secret);
> + return result;
> }
> EXPORT_SYMBOL(get_random_int);
Hmm. I haven't tried to prove anything for real. But here goes (in
the random oracle model):
Suppose I'm an attacker and I don't know the secret or the chaining
value. Then, regardless of what the entropy is, I can't predict the
numbers.
Now suppose I do know the secret and the chaining value due to some
leak. If I want to deduce prior outputs, I think I'm stuck: I'd need
to find a value "result" such that prev_chaining + result = chaining
and result = H(prev_chaining, ..., secret);. I don't think this can
be done efficiently in the random oracle model regardless of what the
"..." is.
But, if I know the secret and chaining value, I can predict the next
output assuming I can guess the entropy. What's worse is that, even
if I can't guess the entropy, if I *observe* the next output then I
can calculate the next chaining value.
So this is probably good enough, and making it better is hard. Changing it to:
u64 entropy = (u64)random_get_entropy() + current->pid;
result = siphash(..., entropy, ...);
secret->chaining += result + entropy;
would reduce this problem by forcing an attacker to brute-force the
entropy on each iteration, which is probably an improvement.
To fully fix it, something like "catastrophic reseeding" would be
needed, but that's hard to get right.
(An aside: on x86 at least, using two percpu variables is faster
because directly percpu access is essentially free, whereas getting
the address of a percpu variable is not free.)
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