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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:00:37 +0000
From: Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/4] siphash: add cryptographically secure PRF
If a halved version of SipHash can bring significant performance boost
(with 32b words instead of 64b words) with an acceptable security level
(64-bit enough?) then we may design such a version.
Regarding output size, are 64 bits sufficient?
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 at 23:42, George Spelvin <linux@...encehorizons.net>
wrote:
> > While SipHash is extremely fast for a cryptographically secure function,
> > it is likely a tiny bit slower than the insecure jhash, and so
> replacements
> > will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis based on whether or not the
> > difference in speed is negligible and whether or not the current jhash
> usage
> > poses a real security risk.
>
> To quantify that, jhash is 27 instructions per 12 bytes of input, with a
> dependency path length of 13 instructions. (24/12 in __jash_mix, plus
> 3/1 for adding the input to the state.) The final add + __jhash_final
> is 24 instructions with a path length of 15, which is close enough for
> this handwaving. Call it 18n instructions and 8n cycles for 8n bytes.
>
> SipHash (on a 64-bit machine) is 14 instructions with a dependency path
> length of 4 *per round*. Two rounds per 8 bytes, plus plus two adds
> and one cycle per input word, plus four rounds to finish makes 30n+46
> instructions and 9n+16 cycles for 8n bytes.
>
> So *if* you have a 64-bit 4-way superscalar machine, it's not that much
> slower once it gets going, but the four-round finalization is quite
> noticeable for short inputs.
>
> For typical kernel input lengths "within a factor of 2" is
> probably more accurate than "a tiny bit".
>
> You lose a factor of 2 if you machine is 2-way or non-superscalar,
> and a second factor of 2 if it's a 32-bit machine.
>
> I mention this because there are a lot of home routers and other netwoek
> appliances running Linux on 32-bit ARM and MIPS processors. For those,
> it's a factor of *eight*, which is a lot more than "a tiny bit".
>
> The real killer is if you don't have enough registers; SipHash performs
> horribly on i386 because it uses more state than i386 has registers.
>
> (If i386 performance is desired, you might ask Jean-Philippe for some
> rotate constants for a 32-bit variant with 64 bits of key. Note that
> SipHash's security proof requires that key length + input length is
> strictly less than the state size, so for a 4x32-bit variant, while
> you could stretch the key length a little, you'd have a hard limit at
> 95 bits.)
>
>
> A second point, the final XOR in SipHash is either a (very minor) design
> mistake, or an opportunity for optimization, depending on how you look
> at it. Look at the end of the function:
>
> >+ SIPROUND;
> >+ SIPROUND;
> >+ return (v0 ^ v1) ^ (v2 ^ v3);
>
> Expanding that out, you get:
> + v0 += v1; v1 = rol64(v1, 13); v1 ^= v0; v0 = rol64(v0, 32);
> + v2 += v3; v3 = rol64(v3, 16); v3 ^= v2;
> + v0 += v3; v3 = rol64(v3, 21); v3 ^= v0;
> + v2 += v1; v1 = rol64(v1, 17); v1 ^= v2; v2 = rol64(v2, 32);
> + return v0 ^ v1 ^ v2 ^ v3;
>
> Since the final XOR includes both v0 and v3, it's undoing the "v3 ^= v0"
> two lines earlier, so the value of v0 doesn't matter after its XOR into
> v1 on line one.
>
> The final SIPROUND and return can then be optimized to
>
> + v0 += v1; v1 = rol64(v1, 13); v1 ^= v0;
> + v2 += v3; v3 = rol64(v3, 16); v3 ^= v2;
> + v3 = rol64(v3, 21);
> + v2 += v1; v1 = rol64(v1, 17); v1 ^= v2; v2 = rol64(v2, 32);
> + return v1 ^ v2 ^ v3;
>
> A 32-bit implementation could further tweak the 4 instructions of
> v1 ^= v2; v2 = rol64(v2, 32); v1 ^= v2;
>
> gcc 6.2.1 -O3 compiles it to basically:
> v1.low ^= v2.low;
> v1.high ^= v2.high;
> v1.low ^= v2.high;
> v1.high ^= v2.low;
> but it could be written as:
> v2.low ^= v2.high;
> v1.low ^= v2.low;
> v1.high ^= v2.low;
>
> Alternatively, if it's for private use only (key not shared with other
> systems), a slightly stronger variant would "return v1 ^ v3;".
> (The final swap of v2 is dead code, but a compiler can spot that easily.)
>
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