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Message-ID: <20160815103000.GE13262@arm.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:30:01 +0100
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com,
Julien Grall <julien.grall@....com>,
James Morse <james.morse@....com>,
"linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org" <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] arm64: Privileged Access Never
using TTBR0_EL1 switching
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:21:00PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 15 August 2016 at 12:06, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:02:33PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> On 15 August 2016 at 11:58, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:48:42AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:13:58AM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> >> > On 12 August 2016 at 17:27, Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com> wrote:
> >> >> > > This is the first (public) attempt at emulating PAN by disabling
> >> >> > > TTBR0_EL1 accesses on arm64.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I take it using TCR_EL1.EPD0 is too expensive?
> >> >>
> >> >> It would require full TLB invalidation on entering/exiting the kernel
> >> >> and again for any user access. That's because the architecture allows
> >> >> this bit to be cached in the TLB so without TLBI we wouldn't have any
> >> >> guarantee that the actual PAN was toggled. I'm not sure it's even clear
> >> >> whether a TLBI by ASID or a local one would suffice (likely OK for the
> >> >> latter).
> >> >
> >> > It's worth noting that even ignoring the TLB-caching of TCR_EL1.EPD0, the
> >> > control only affects the behaviour on a TLB miss. Thus to use EPD0 we'd at
> >> > least need TLB invalidation by ASID to remove previously-allocated entries from
> >> > TLBs.
> >>
> >> ... or update the ASID to the reserved ASID in TTBR0_EL1, but leave
> >> the actual TTBR address alone.
> >>
> >> This would remove the need for a zero page, and for recording the
> >> original TTBR address in a per-cpu variable.
> >
> > That's a good point, and a better approach.
> >
> > Unfortunately, we're still left with the issue that TCR_EL1.* can be cached in
> > a TLB, as Catalin pointed out. Which at minimum would require a TLBI ASIDE1,
> > and may require something stronger, given the precise rules for TLB-cached
> > fields isn't clear.
> >
>
> So how exactly would EPDn = 1 be cached in a TLB, given that the bit
> specifically means that TTBRn_ELn is ignored on a TLB *miss*. Doesn't
> that mean 'not covered by a TLB entry'? Or does it mean 'not covered
> by a TLB entry describing a valid translation'?
>
> I guess it indeed makes sense to get this clarified ...
We'll put Rutland on the case.
> As to Will's point, I suppose there is a window where a speculative
> TLB fill could occur, so I suppose that means updating TTBR0_EL1.ASID
> first, then TCR_EL1.EPD0, and finally perform the TLBI ASIDE1 on the
> reserved ASID.
But then what do you gain from the reserved ASID?
Will
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