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Message-ID: <20130831202637.GA6013@dztty>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:26:37 +0100
From: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
Al Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com>,
Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@...nwall.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
"kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com" <kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] procfs: restore 0400 permissions on
/proc/*/{syscall,stack,personality}
(Sorry for my late response)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 03:14:32PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org> wrote:
> > Hi Eric,
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 05:26:56PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >>
> >> I have take a moment and read this thread, and have been completely
> >> unenlightend. People are upset but it is totally unclear why.
> >>
> >> There is no explanation why it is ok to ignore the suid-exec case, as
> >> the posted patches do. Which ultimately means the patches provide
> > Please, did you take a look at the patches ?
> > - INF("syscall", S_IRUGO, proc_pid_syscall),
> > + INF("syscall", S_IRUSR, proc_pid_syscall),
> >
> > Can you please tell me how did you come to the conclusion that the
> > patches "ignore the suid-exec case as the posted patches do" ?
>
> There are a few conditions that need to be handled. The original fix
> that Al landed was to stop this:
>
> create IPC
> fork child
> child opens /proc/self/syscall
> child sends fd to parent over IPC
> child execs setuid process
> parent reads setuid process's "syscall" file
>
> The solution was to check perms of reader (in this case parent wasn't
> privileged, so it gets denied).
Yes, of course
> The new problem is:
>
> open /proc/$target/syscall
> dup to stdin
> exec setuid process that reports contents of stdin
>
> So, changing perms to 0400 doesn't actually fix what we want to fix,
> since it can still by bypassed under more limited situations:
>
> open /proc/self/syscall
> dup to stdin
> exec setuid process that reports contents of stdin
>
> So, changing to 0400 means only setuid programs that aren't already
> running will have their ASLR leaked.
Yes I do realize. That change was only to block leaks against already
running processes and *restore* the old permissions.
> [...]
> Maybe I'm lacking imagination, but changing to 0400 does reduce the
> scope of the leak from all processes to "just" what was execed. This
> still needs to be addressed, but I don't see a way to handle this
> without explicitly invalidating the /proc handle across exec.
Yes Kees,
I did try a year ago to adapt the exec_id from grsecurity and failed
(and failed again to resend - not enough resources):
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/10/174
Kees IMHO the right solution is to invalidate the fd across exec as
you suggest
Alan Cox's thread which describe the problem correctly:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/1/29/35
Alan suggested to revoke() the file handles.
So:
There are more of these /proc files with 0444 and without appropriate
ptrace protections that allow ASLR leaks, and doing 0400 will not
totally fix it, not to mention that 0400 on /proc/pid/maps can break
glibc, etc.
A solution would be to implement the per-cpu exec_id used in grsecurity
and also suggested here:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/11/23
grsecurity uses the current (reader) exec_id to track if this is still
the same reader. We can use the target exec_id instead of the reader to
bind all these files to their exec_id target task + ptrace checkes at
open(), read(), write()...
Can we consider this some sort of a revoke() for these special files?
Thanks
--
Djalal Harouni
http://opendz.org
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