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Message-ID: <20110707081930.GA4393@albatros>
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 12:19:30 +0400
From: Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@...nwall.com>
To: kernel-hardening@...ts.openwall.com,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...e.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
Jiri Slaby <jslaby@...e.cz>, James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
Neil Brown <neilb@...e.de>
Subject: Re: Re: RLIMIT_NPROC check in set_user()
(Sorry, I've dropped Linus from CC somehow ;-)
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 22:59 +0400, Vasiliy Kulikov wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 11:01 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > My reaction is: "let's just remote the crazy check from set_user()
> > entirely".
>
> Honestly, I didn't expect such a positive reaction from you in the first
> reply :)
>
>
> > The whole point of RLIMIT_NPROC is to avoid fork-bombs.
>
> It is also used in cases where there is implicit or explicit limit on
> some other resource per process leading to the global limit of
> RLIMIT_NPROC*X. The most obvious case of X is RLIMIT_AS.
>
> Purely pragmatic approach is introducing the check in execve() to
> heuristically limit the number of user processes. If the program uses
> PAM to register a user session, maxlogins from pam_limits is the Right
> Way. But many programs simply don't use PAM because of the performance
> issues. E.g. apache doesn't use PAM. On a shared web hosting this is a
> real issue.
>
> In -ow patch execve() checked for the exceeded RLIMIT_NPROC, which
> effectively solved Apache's problem.
>
> ...and execve() error handling is hard to miss ;-)
>
>
> > So let's keep it in kernel/fork.c where we actually create a *new*
> > process (and where everybody knows exactly what the limit means, and
> > people who don't check for error cases are just broken). And remove it
> > from everywhere else.
>
> There are checks only in copy_process() and set_user().
>
> Thanks,
--
Vasiliy Kulikov
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