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Message-ID: <loom.20160322T133559-575@post.gmane.org>
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 12:47:43 +0000 (UTC)
From: JimF <jfoug@...nwall.net>
To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Hashcat-style
magnum <john.magnum@...> writes:
> I had a look at implementing what Hashcat describes like this:
>
> Ascii increment +N Increment character <at> N by 1 ascii value
> Ascii decrement -N Decrement character <at> N by 1 ascii value
>
> The code for doing this is totally trivial but there are other caveats:
>
> * The '+' is already used for concatenation of Single mode pairs.
> * The '-' at the beginning of line will be parsed as an invalid rule-reject.
>
> Despite this I managed to implement them like this: The '+' will only mean
"increment ASCII" if we did not use
> a '1' or '2' command first. And if you want to place '-N' in the start of
a line, you can prepend a no-op 'M' to
> protect it from being parsed as a rule-reject. But this was mostly for
trying it out, I don't think this is
> satisfactory. If nothing else, I'd actually like to use this *with* Single
mode pair words.
>
> There's also the question how to handle an incremented \xFF. Hashcat will
gladly increment it to a zero but
> this will be an actual \x00 possibly in the middle of the word, while JtR
would truncate the word at that
> point. IMO we could just leave this as it happens to end up.
I know this was message was a bit old (that is why I appended most of the
original message), and that there never was a reply to it.
I have opened an issue request for a new feature for bleeding, to try to get
some specific HC only rules added to john.
https://github.com/magnumripper/JohnTheRipper/issues/2095
There are more rules than just the 2 listed here. Several which I think look
very powerful. All should be trivial to add to the existing rule set, with
the exception of these 2 (the + and -), but as Magnum has mentioned,
actually adding the + and - is not all that hard. There may be a case or 2
that can not be handled, but those cases should pretty few.
Magnum noted that before starting anything on this, that it should be
brought to the ML first, and I do agree, since this is a change to default
behavior.
Jim.
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