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Message-ID: <555C1F1F.5060305@web.de>
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 06:43:59 +0100
From: Demian Smith <demian.smith@....de>
To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Advise on best approach (truecrypt pw based on pdf
file)
Hi magnum,
thank you for looking into it for me - the plausible deniability (?) is
a nice feature and I believe it's one that it is good to have.
In the last weeks I did run with the --format option, as I think I would
not have changed the defaults. Which - on my linux machine - are ripemd
and aes. I hope they would have been the same on a win machine, but
can't verify, as I don't have an old truecrypt copy lying around.
So, I have removed the hidden-container lines from the file (I know
there's no hidden volume) and am now back to running the wordfile onto
it and then incremental... Will keep my finger's crossed though =)
Cheers,
Demian
★ On 15/05/20 01:12 a.m. Magnum wrote ★
> The hash_nopart one from sdb has entries with mostly nulls so is not
> likely correct. I just made some quick tests and reviewed the code.
> Unfortunately, truecrypt_volume2john doesn't recognize any signature or
> magic, so you can feed it ANY data and as long as it's at least 512
> bytes it will happily produce six different hashes: One for each of the
> three algorithms, plus another set of three for possible hidden volumes.
> I believe there's no way to make it any better - truecrypt is designed
> to be plausably deniable. Of the six ones always produced, I believe
> only one is ever correct (if any) and often you won't know which.
>
> I tried running truecrypt_volume2john on some actual truecrypt container
> (file) I had lying around. Obviously it "found" six hashes in it too.
> When trying with the correct password, the correct one was cracked
> (apparently it was a RIPEMD_160 one) while the other ones are bogus
> random data that can't ever be cracked.
>
> So, if last weeks attempts were made using the file from sbd1, and
> without using the --format option no narrow down to a particular algo, I
> think you did correct. If you did narrow it down to eg.
> --format=tc_ripemd160, I hope that's because you KNOW that is the algo
> used.
>
> magnum
>
>
> On 2015-05-19 23:23, Demian Smith wrote:
>> Not all hope is lost, so?
>>
>> So, what I did was:
>>
>> attach the external device to usb and verify it's "path" via lsblk
>> and/or truecryp. This led to
>> sdb 8:16 0 465.7G 0 disk
>> └─sdb1 8:17 0 465.7G 0 part
>>
>> I than do:
>> [demian@...nymous:~/.bin/JtR/run]$ ./truecrypt_volume2john /dev/sdb1 >
>> ~/hash
>>
>> which results in the attached hash file.
>>
>> I had tried the same on a usb key, as well running truecrypt2john versus
>> the partition on sdb1, which then had been "cracked"...
>>
>> If I create a hashfile on /dev/sdb instead, I get
>>
>> john --session=wl --wordlist=/home/wpd_for_mark_second.txt ~/no_partition
>> ASCII -> ASCII -> ASCII
>> Warning: detected hash type "tc_aes_xts", but the string is also
>> recognized as "tc_ripemd160"
>> Use the "--format=tc_ripemd160" option to force loading these as that
>> type instead
>> Loaded 6 password hashes with 6 different salts (tc_aes_xts, TrueCrypt
>> AES256_XTS [SHA512 128/128 SSE4.1 2x /RIPEMD160/WHIRLPOOL])
>> Loaded hashes with cost 1 (hash algorithm [1:SHA512 2:RIPEMD160
>> 3:Whirlpool]) varying from 1 to 3
>> Will run 4 OpenMP threads
>>
>> If I force ripemd w/ --format=tc_ripemd160:
>> initUnicode(UNICODE,ASCII/ASCII)
>>
>>
>> ASCII->ASCII->ASCII
>>
>>
>> Loaded 2 password hashes with 2 different salts (tc_ripemd160, TrueCrypt
>> AES256_XTS [RIPEMD160 32/64])
>>
>> Will run 4 OpenMP threads
>>
>> while the hashfile itself looks different ...
>>
>> i did look into the doc folder but could not spot anything related to
>> truecrypt, I hope I did not just miss it...
>>
>> Also, I hope I just made a mistake somewhere on the lines of generating
>> the hashes, maybe ...
>>
>> Thanks for keeping my hopes up,
>> D
>> --
>> 'It's no measure of mental health to be well adjusted
>> to a profoundly sick society.'
>>
>> Sinéad O'Connor
>>
>> ★ On 15/05/19 09:00 p.m. Magnum wrote ★
>>> On 2015-05-19 20:35, Demian Smith wrote:
>>>> I right now run the two filters on the first txt file I create from the
>>>> suspect pdf and will then go back to incremental, as the Markov mode -
>>>> in my case - does not appear to be producing useful candidates.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for all the effort, I'm pretty sure this is a layer 8
>>>> issue
>>>> right now :s
>>>
>>> Maybe we should revert to verifying your truerypt_volume2john
>>> invocation/results.
>>>
>>> Please recap what you had, what you did and what you got. Were you
>>> feeding truecrypt_volume2john a file or a device special node? Was there
>>> any output on stderr? How does your "hash" file look? I still wonder why
>>> you got two "hashes".
>>>
>>> magnum
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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