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Message-ID: <20071113031711.GA29385@openwall.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:17:11 +0300 From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com> To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Incremental mode log format On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 03:36:35PM +0100, WhisperingStorm wrote: > <time> - Switching to length X > <time> - Expanding tables for length X to character count Y > <time> - Trying length X, fixed @Z, character count Y > > I think I understand X and Y - the cracker is trying passwords X > characters long and it's using a charset of Y characters. More precisely, it's using a charset of Y different character indices. The number of different characters can be higher than that because different sets of characters turn out to be most probable for the first Y indices for different positions, as well as for different preceding characters. > However, I don't get what "fixed @Z" means. Whenever JtR tries passwords with a given number of different character indices, it needs to avoid trying passwords that would also be available with a smaller number of different character indices. (Otherwise, it would be trying the same candidate passwords more than once.) This is achieved by keeping one of the character indices (in character position reported as "fixed @Z" in your log sample above) fixed at its highest value (that is, at "Y" minus 1 since the indices are zero-based). This needs to be repeated for all positions up to the corresponding length. BTW, the order in which JtR tries different {length, fixed, count} combinations may seem weird. It is based on statistical information encoded in .chr files. -- Alexander Peslyak <solar at openwall.com> GPG key ID: 5B341F15 fp: B3FB 63F4 D7A3 BCCC 6F6E FC55 A2FC 027C 5B34 1F15 http://www.openwall.com - bringing security into open computing environments Was I helpful? Please give your feedback here: http://rate.affero.net/solar -- To unsubscribe, e-mail john-users-unsubscribe@...ts.openwall.com and reply to the automated confirmation request that will be sent to you.
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