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Message-ID: <adc8d256e096d00aabcdcb94980ddcc9@smtp.hushmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 12:46:07 +0200 From: magnum <magnumripper@...hmail.com> To: john-dev@...ts.openwall.com Subject: Re: Birthday paradox On 2023-04-23 12:28, magnum wrote: > Starting with no bitmap (BLOOM_K=0 disables): > > Using default input encoding: UTF-8 > Loaded 256 password hashes with no different salts (NT-opencl [MD4 OpenCL]) > 256 hashes: Hash table in local memory (2468 B); no filter. > Offset tbl 380 B, Hash tbl 2088 B, Results 3076 B, Dupe bmp 36 B, TOTAL > on GPU: 5580 B > LWS=256 GWS=34816 (136 blocks) x9025 > Press 'q' or Ctrl-C to abort, 'h' for help, almost any other key for status > 25g 0:00:00:24 DONE (2023-04-23 12:04) 1.004g/s *30628Mp/s* 30628Mc/s > 7190GC/s Dev#2:66°C util:95% aaUh}|..aaUh}| > Remaining 231 password hashes with no different salts > Session completed. > 735091890625 crypts, fp from bitmap: 1/4153061529 (0.00%), 177 hash > table lookups Same without even using local memory: 256 hashes: Hash table in global memory (2532 B); no filter. Offset tbl 412 B, Hash tbl 2120 B, Results 3076 B, Dupe bmp 36 B, TOTAL on GPU: 5644 B LWS=256 GWS=34816 (136 blocks) x9025 Press 'q' or Ctrl-C to abort, 'h' for help, almost any other key for status 25g 0:00:00:25 DONE (2023-04-23 12:36) 0.9723g/s *29403Mp/s* 29403Mc/s 6902GC/s Dev#2:67°C util:95% aaUh}|..aaUh}| Remaining 231 password hashes with no different salts Session completed. 735091890625 crypts, fp from bitmap: 1/3910063248 (0.00%), 188 hash table lookups The reported "fp from bitmap" in the no-bitmap case are 32-bit false positives from the hash table. They should be the same above but somehow isn't. I regard it as some effect of the mentioned randomness in the PHT (as you can see the sizes differ as well) but in the no-bitmap case it still puzzles me - we're comparing an actual MD4 hash word by word. magnum
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