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Message-ID: <20150623051323.GA21313@openwall.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:13:23 +0300
From: Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com>
To: john-dev@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Interleaving of intrinsics
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 02:44:52AM +0200, magnum wrote:
> On 2015-06-22 21:48, Solar Designer wrote:
> >On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 09:40:55PM +0200, magnum wrote:
> >>As Lei wrote, all speeds for PBKDB2-HMAC
> >
> >Where? I must have missed that.
>
> It was clearly stated (although he omitted number of iterations) but
> PBKDF2-HMAC-MD4/5 formats are so unintuitive your brain might have
> refused to take it in :-)
Oh, I found it now - "We're using all PBKDF2-HMAC formats here".
> >>(yes, even MD4 and MD5). All of
> >>them are c/s for 1000 iterations. So 737882 c/s corresponds to something
> >>like 737882 * 2002 = 1.4G hashes per second. I'm not sure that makes
> >>sense on a MIC but that's what it should mean.
> >
> >Oh. It makes sense, yes. And it was worthy of benchmarking and
> >considering for tuning of the interleaving factors, then.
>
> That's what I thought when adding pbkdf2-hmac-md4 which is a totally
> useless format otherwise, not likely used anywhere IRL. We can now
> benchmark MD4 figures without bottlenecks. The format was obviously very
> trivial to add, more or less cp & sed. BTW I have added both of these
> formats for OpenCL too, for the same reasons. Super trivial, and great
> for benchmarking the raw hash code.
Yes, this was a good idea.
> BTW maybe we should add test vectors with 499 iterations...
> that way you could actually read the c/s figures as "K hash/s" :-)
No, I think 1000 iterations is fine.
Even at 499, those speeds wouldn't exactly correspond to what's possible
for non-iterated hashes, because in those cases some steps can be omitted.
Alexander
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