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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:56:19 -0400
From: Yaniv Sapir <yaniv@...pteva.com>
To: john-dev@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Parallella: scrypt
Hi Rafa,
Looking forward to helping with this. When you get to the
Epiphany/Parallella programming part, don't hesitate to email if you have a
question.
Yaniv.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Rafael Waldo Delgado Doblas <
lord.rafa@...il.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I will do the first task that you told me, implement scrypt in host mode.
> I would like to have a road map for the milestones. Also I would like to
> confirm if the milestones are:
>
> For the first half of the summer:
> First, implement scrypt in host mode.
> Second, experiment with scrypt time-memory tradeoff.
> Third, move it to epiphany.
>
> For the second half of the summer(early August or maybe before?) :
> Fourth, implement epiphany based Litecoin mining.
> Fifth, implement descrypt on Parallella.
>
> Furthermore, I need more information about descrypt.
>
> Best regards,
> Rafa
>
>
> 2013/6/11 Solar Designer <solar@...nwall.com>
>
>> Rafael -
>>
>> I notice that you have edited the project description as we had
>> discussed off-list:
>>
>> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2013/lordrafa/22001
>>
>> It now says "In this project I will add Epiphany support to scrypt code
>> using a Parallella board."
>>
>> This is OK, although I hope you will have time to do more than just that
>> during the summer. Further tasks (stretch goals) may include: Litecoin
>> mining code both using Epiphany and not, FPGA programming (both for
>> scrypt/Litecoin just because we have the Zynq chip anyway, and for other
>> JtR "formats" where an FPGA is of more benefit - such as descrypt),
>> another/further attempt at using OpenCL to program for Epiphany.
>>
>> For now, though, let's in fact focus on scrypt. We do not yet have any
>> scrypt code in JtR, so your first task is to add such support using the
>> host CPU. To do this, please use this encoding syntax:
>>
>>
>> https://www.gitorious.org/scrypt/scrypt-unix-crypt/blobs/master/unix-scrypt.txt
>>
>> and my revision of Colin Percival's original implementations
>> (reference, somewhat optimized, and heavily optimized x86 SSE2
>> intrinsics) as attached to this message (this includes implementation of
>> the above encoding syntax as well).
>>
>> My escrypt includes a defeat_tmto feature. For your project, please
>> keep it disabled - that is, set defeat_tmto = 0. This feature is a
>> work-in-progress and it's not part of scrypt proper.
>>
>> (BTW, there's still much room for attack-specific optimization -
>> bringing more parallelism down to instruction level - but that's out of
>> scope of your project, at least until after you've implemented scrypt on
>> Epiphany. I think there's sufficient parallelism in one Salsa20 core to
>> fully use Epiphany, and we're limited by the 32 KB of local memory, so
>> bringing more parallelism to instruction level is not helpful for
>> Epiphany. However, it is likely helpful for modern x86-64 CPUs.)
>>
>> You need to create a JtR format out of this. Please take a look at
>> c3_fmt.c and dummy.c in the JtR tree for some samples. I mention
>> c3_fmt.c because it simply uses crypt(3), whereas my escrypt tarball
>> provides a similar function. While normally we'd decode the ASCII
>> strings back to binary on loading of hashes to crack, and work on the
>> binaries then, for scrypt this does not matter much. It's so slow that
>> the time wasted on ASCII-encoding will be negligible. c3_fmt.c also
>> supports OpenMP with glibc's crypt_r(3), and my escrypt also provides an
>> MT-safe function - so you may do things similarly (to include OpenMP
>> support too).
>>
>> Please try to complete this within a week. Then your next task will be
>> to experiment with scrypt time-memory tradeoff (still on the host CPU):
>>
>> http://www.openwall.com/lists/crypt-dev/2013/03/21/1
>>
>> and then to bring the actual scrypt computation (making use of TMTO as
>> needed) to Epiphany (in a revision of the JtR format - maybe a new
>> format name, so that both host and Epiphany versions could be invoked
>> from the same build of JtR).
>>
>> I expect that you will need help with the TMTO - please feel free to ask
>> for it when you get to that point.
>>
>> Frankly, I only expect sort of reasonable performance with very low
>> memory settings for scrypt - much like Litecoin's 128 KB (at which the
>> increase in computation is only about 2x). Thus, for practical use, the
>> JtR/host format is far more important than the JtR/Epiphany format. (We
>> generally don't have to use TMTO on host, but we do on Epiphany.) The
>> primary reason why we even bother to implement scrypt on Epiphany is for
>> Litecoin mining (where we know that scrypt's memory setting is only 128
>> KB,
>> which is sort of acceptable for Epiphany). Thus, for the Epiphany part
>> of the project to potentially make any practical sense at all, you do
>> need to proceed to implementation of Litecoin mining. For the Epiphany
>> part of the project to potentially make any practical sense for JtR in
>> particular (rather than merely for Litecoin mining, which is not exactly
>> a JtR task), you do need to proceed to implementation of other formats
>> (beyond scrypt) on Parallella (both chips) - I suggest descrypt (because
>> it'd make good use of the FPGA and reasonable use of Epiphany, and also
>> because it's not perfect on GPUs yet, unlike e.g. most things
>> MD5-based). So please try to allocate half the summer to those highly
>> desirable stretch goals.
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions or/and comments.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alexander
>>
>
>
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