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Message-ID: <002701cbdbbc$45afe100$d10fa300$@net>
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 23:06:37 -0600
From: "jfoug" <jfoug@....net>
To: <john-dev@...ts.openwall.com>
Subject: RE: Re: md5_gen, proposed functionality
>From: magnum [mailto:rawsmooth@...dband.net]
>
>Sounds very good. Just curious, how simple/hard/sensible would it be to
>rip all the "generic" part out of that for a true sha1-gen format?
The true 'generic' stuff is pretty easy. Yes, there are a ton of functions,
but many of them are simply due to multiple same code, just to different
input and output.
Porting the methods of md5-gen to other hash types should not be too hard.
Time consuming, but not hard.
>Even wilder, how about a generic_generic format that does the same with
>more or less any raw hashing? Just thinking out of the box here :-)
Getting a 'generic' generic (a super, to do something like
md5($s.sha1($p).md4($s.$p)) would be quite a bit harder. Many of the
performance related items are getting data into the SSE x4 format, and
keeping it there. However, md5 and sha do not have compat formats, IIRC. I
think SHA is big endian. MD5 is little. I think this would (or may) cause
problems, and require quite a bit of overhead on conversions.
>I am impressed that the user md5_gen(1xxx) formats seem to perform the
>same as the hard coded ones.
The external ones, in john.conf, really work 100% same as the ones
'built-in'. It is all in getting enough primitive 'parts' built. Then
building the script to use the 'proper' ones.
Maybe it is not that magic but it's well
>done. It would be very powerful if it could be taken further so one
>could produce more or less any function, like having it do md4($p.$s) or
>sha1(unicode($p.$u)) too. A majority of John's supported formats could
>be thin, or even just sections in john.conf.
Most 'should' be. The ones that are 'hard', are ones like MD5($1$) or
Apache($apr1$) or even phpass. The reason I say most 'should' be, is they
are much easier to 'maintain' if thin. Also, if md5-gen (or other 'super'
format), gets enhanced, many (or most) of the thin formats would also get
sped up. Keeps them more 'cutting' edge.
>Just random thoughts for the future.
Been thinking that way myself, for a while.
>magnum
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